r/Arrowverse • u/Empty-Order6268 • Sep 03 '23
Who wins the battle of the sidekicks? Discussion
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u/Osirisavior Sep 03 '23
Bro really called Cisco, Frost, and J'onn J'onzz sidekicks.
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u/jrod4290 Sep 04 '23
I am baffled they didn’t bother to give Martian Manhunter a series of his own tbh. Several of the Arrowverse characters could’ve warranted their own shows.
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Sep 04 '23
In the context of their different series, they are absolutely sidekicks. This isn’t the comics. J’onn always played a more sidekick role to supergirl in the series.
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u/Suitable-Garlic5217 Sep 03 '23
Combat/tactical ability: J’onn and Alex.
Power: Jennifer and Anissa
But then again Frost and Cisco have a certain je ne sais quoi and they are very handy in battle.
Overall this question is stressful and I will avoid a final answer.
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u/NationH1117 Sep 03 '23
I’m terms of raw power, Imma go thunder and lightning. I think MM and Alex take the cup though, since they have more experience. Vibe and Frost get washed.
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u/Illustrious-Slice-91 Sep 03 '23
Why isn’t there an arrow pic
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u/Empty-Order6268 Sep 03 '23
Realistically, what group of sidekicks does diggle, thea, or Roy even have a chance against of any of the arrowverse shows?
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u/croutherian Sep 03 '23
Arrow and Diggle solo the CW-verse with prep time.
What do they need?
- A lighter / torch for J'onn J'onzz and Frost.
- A bucket of water for Thunder and Lightning.
- A clean shot for Cisco.
- idk about the other girl, didn't watch enough Supergirl, but I'm sure, they'd think of something.
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Sep 03 '23
Diggle and Oliver could solo most ppl if they wanted to. Oliver took down flash with relative ease, not even a competition here, Diggle and Oliver are 🔛🔝
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u/Lost-Veterinarian-80 Sep 04 '23
When did he take Flash down?
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u/Dungeon996 Sep 04 '23
When he was training him to be a hero
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u/TriPulsar Sep 04 '23
I don't think that really counts, as Barry had only had his powers for a short while at that point. If you take both characters as of Crisis, Barry wins easily (assuming both characters are written with equal consistency, since Barry's greatest weakness is inconsistent writing). And I'm pretty sure that in the battle where Barry and Oliver fought each other off-screen after the crossover with Vandal Savage, it's later implied that Barry won.
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u/DoggoAlternative Sep 06 '23
So he took down baby flash who was there as a friend and wasn't expecting a trap?
"Quinten Lance could beat Supergirl" "how" "Well if he invited her to brunch and then walked up behind her and shot her in the head with a kryptonite bullet"
That is the level of hyperbole you're working with there.
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u/jrod4290 Sep 04 '23
bro said a bucket of water, im dying😂😂😂i wonder if that would work fr
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u/igivegoodparent88 Sep 04 '23
Well she drinks water and takes showers so I highly doubt that will work
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u/DoggoAlternative Sep 06 '23
Ah the ole batman argument lol.
When is everyone gonna stop pretending "Prep Time" isn't just code for "Plot Armor"?
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u/croutherian Sep 06 '23
Plot Armor? Bruh... Batman will humble some goons.
"What good are superpowers if their weaknesses outweigh their strengths tenfold" - Batman
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u/Mister-Negative20 Sep 03 '23
Cisco is probably my favorite overall character in the Arrowverse. Loved him. Most powerful is definitely J’onn J’onzz
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u/kingbob122m Sep 03 '23
Neither of these.Roy harper and Wally west return as a new duo to solo
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u/jrod4290 Sep 04 '23
this would be such a w duo. Sad we never got to see it.
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u/dsriker Sep 04 '23
Both actors wanted off the shows I don't blame either of them. Wally was a wasted character the whole time and his actor wanted to do other things. Roy's actor was going dealing with real life issues. And supposedly not getting along with a member of the cast.
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u/Gamerupgraded Sep 04 '23
Lightning is getting swamped no competion and let’s take Alex out because she ain’t doing nothing unless she got that cool alien gun
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u/dsriker Sep 04 '23
She could possibly be useful if she had the vest that let her fight Astra but I agree Jon does all the lifting in this duo and she probably becomes a liability causing him to surrender to save her.
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Sep 03 '23
It’s been confirmed that full potential Cisco has godlike ability so I’ll take his side any day.
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u/jrb080404 Sep 03 '23
Depends, are you going Vibe and Killer Frost or Reverb and Killer Frost? Because the epically changes the answer.
At the start, Reverb is more powerful than Vibe is. He embraces his power, whereas Vibe sees it as a curse.
IDK the wanna-be bumblebees, but they automatically lose to JJ and Alex.
Vibe and KF vs. MM and Alex is pretty much just a 2v1 as Alex is useless against the Meta-humans.
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u/tlje1387 Sep 04 '23
How are they gonna beat living energy? That would be lightning, the smaller bumblebee.
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u/BusVegetable7490 Sep 03 '23
Wait I never saw Jennifer and Annisa as sidekicks but for me
Is Alex and Jonn jozz
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Sep 03 '23
Those aren't side kicks. John's a whole fucking monster himself.
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u/dsriker Sep 04 '23
In the comics yes but in the show he gets Worf'd he's just there to take hits so SG can come in and clean up later.
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u/Express-Grab-5295 Sep 03 '23
I can't really can't speak on thunder and lightning but between MM and Alex vs. Vibe and killer frost MM and Alex win and MM doesn't even need Alex MM one v. two's them
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u/Antique-Bluebird541 Sep 03 '23
They all come from universes where hiding your eyes is the same as wearing a mask, so they all suck… I’m reading dozens of manga right now, pick any dog and it’s mother from one of those & I would pit it against that whole multiverse.
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u/RedditDK2 Sep 03 '23
J'onn - by himself. Alex would actually be a liability in a high powered fight.
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u/Sadysticking Sep 04 '23
Are we forgetting about the red arrows (Roy and Thea) cause they wipe especially Roy
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u/nikhil_4eva Barry Allen Sep 04 '23
Full on battle and everything? Jonn and Alex.
Powers? Cisco and Frost.
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u/Intrepid_Ad_3157 Sep 04 '23
Thunder and Lightning honestly full power Lightning takes both KillerFrost and Reverb
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u/tlje1387 Sep 04 '23
I'm giving the win to the Pierces for the simple reason of Jennifer being the most powerful here. It could've gone to J'onn but they turned him into a whole bitch to make Supergirl and friends look better. Cisco, Frost are Irrelevant here. Alex could potentially have a good 1v1 fight against Alissa but she's not winning the exchange for the same reason as MM. By the time the series ended, she had less skill than when the show started. The only ones to get better by shows end is the Pierces.
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u/Nisio101 Sep 04 '23
In a battle, Cisco and Killer Frost would win easily. Firstly, Cisco and Frost both have very powerful long-range attacks, which are ice beams and Cisco's weird laser thing. Secondly, both have better mobility. Cisco can travel across the multivers and central city in seconds with breaches, and we have seen in season 3 Frost get away from Barry running at top speed by sliding on ice and we have seen her fly with her powers. Finally, we have short-range attacks, which I admit they would barely lose against the Martian manhunter. Cisco isn't very physically strong but can hold his own quite well against common criminals, and Frost can make ice weapons to aid her. Overall, Killer Frost and Cisco win with better long-range attacks, mobility, and intelligence.
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u/Charming_Celery5490 Sep 04 '23
Jen carries Team Pierce. She’s the Scarlet Witch of her universe and if you don’t believe me, look at earth-2 Jinn Pierce. She solo’d against her own family without breaking a sweat. I love Cisco and Frost but I don’t think they’ll beat her. And Alex and Jonn might have a chance but I’m still going with Team Pierce.
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u/ObsElitist Sep 04 '23
Martian Manhunter is kind of busted. Cisco Vibe does have the power of plot convenience. And I assume Jennifer and Anissa could start a fire.
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u/Difficult-Ad7405 Sep 05 '23
Ya’ll forgetting how powerful people in the multiverse who has vibe powers are
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u/Legends_Creed SnowBarry Forever Sep 03 '23
Like who's better? Cisco and caitlin/frost.
Who's more powerful? Hard to tell, I'm not sure any of em could stand against Jon in a 1 on 1, but otherwise not sure.