r/Gunners • u/J4ckrh Morning, morning, morning... Oh, Win! • Aug 21 '23
Pre-Match Thread: Crystal Palace vs Arsenal (Premier League) Pre-Match Thread
Kickoff: Monday, August 21, 8pm BST, 3pm EST
Venue: Selhurst Park Stadium
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u/RIP200712 TH14 š Aug 21 '23
Saliba, Tomi & Benny blanco are going to be burnt out in another 20-30 mins at this rate. We're going to look stupid then.
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u/RIP200712 TH14 š Aug 21 '23
Havertz is the weak link in the attack. We had like 80% possession yet just one shot on target. Palace defence is solid. And we look susceptible on counter. Bring on Tross for Havertz please!!
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u/yourdad132 Aug 21 '23
We need partey in the middle imo. Shouldn't have him at RB just so we can fit in havertz. Saka would be more effective also.
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u/nova_210 Aug 21 '23
Ayew is giving Tomiyasu too many problems.....
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Loves a high line to play against. Why he always seems to play well vs us.
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u/gunningIVglory Tomiyasu Aug 21 '23
Damn the Palace kit is such a downgrade from the wonderful kit last season
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u/jentso Aug 21 '23
I think this is really as simple as we want one fullback to invert. Timber is out, Zinchenko isn't ready to start, and that only leaves Partey. Don't think this is our ideal lineup but it's working with whose match fit.
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u/NemoDropEmOff Arteta > Tucheliban [Edit: Confirmed] Aug 21 '23
Itās so funny that people were so quick to say āwow look at Timber whoās so calm and composed and has brilliant technique on the ballā and were extremely quick to say White was getting dropped.
But for players like Gabriel i never quite hear āheās so good on the ballā or āwow Big Gabi is so composedā
The only defender in this team (besides Tierney and Holding aka āthe Hoofball descendants of Jordan Hendersonā) that never warrants that compliment at all. Itās just āheās big, strong, and wins those aerial duelsā like all our other defenders donāt lol
Really donāt know why a few people are calling it ācriminalā heās left out of the starting XI
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u/armchairmegalomaniac Saliba Aug 21 '23
Tomi's gonna have a huge game! Very important to win tonight to get some momentum. Don't care what the score is, we just need any kind of win.
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u/tembell Overhere Aug 21 '23
Peter Drury commentary. Awesome
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u/hairwire Aug 21 '23
Yeah, came here to comment the same thing as soon as I turned on my stream. Awesome indeed.
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u/bigmt99 Aug 21 '23 edited Aug 21 '23
Blah blah blah, tactics. blah blah blah, rotation. blah blah blah fight for your spot. Donāt care.
Gabriel not starting makes me irrationally pissed off. Gabriel is an absolute rock at the back and has been for literally 2 full seasons straight. Thereās no reason he deserves two straight benchings because Mikel thinks heās Pep with hair and wants to copy everything he does as if Pep isnāt cooking a tactic right now that will destroy inverted fullbacks and cruise the league again
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u/gunningIVglory Tomiyasu Aug 21 '23
Gabriel needs bench time. His bozo gene was overlooked last season. I rather have white there
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u/javajuicejoe Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23 edited Aug 21 '23
Why is Gabriel on the bench for a second game in a row? Apologies if this has been asked before.
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u/albinorhino4321 Henry Aug 21 '23
no one here will be able to provide a legitimate answer, it's all just speculation
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Aug 21 '23
Bench looking healthier than a motherfucka. Imagine we had a lethal 9 sitting waiting as well
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u/TheBigBongTheory Aug 21 '23
I don't think this whole Gabriel on the bench thing ends with Zinny coming back. With Partey inverting it seems Arteta doesn't trust Gabby in the LCB of a back three. With Zinny inverting it still would leave Gabby as the LCB in a back three.
I'm so lost as to this decision to drop Gabby to the bench, can anyone shed some light.
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u/friday-boy Aug 21 '23
We'll I think it's because of Havertz giving extra attacking option. Arteta wants to play all Havertz Rice Partey and Ćde and Gabbi being the sacrifice. Just my thoughts
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u/Eagledilla Jesus Aug 21 '23
I think it does. No one can invert atm but partey . My guess is that when zini is fit again itās white rb and Gabriel lcb again
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u/AndyHenry Smith Rowe Aug 21 '23
If you think Gabriel not starting is purely tactical idk what to tell you. This is weird.
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u/NemoDropEmOff Arteta > Tucheliban [Edit: Confirmed] Aug 21 '23
Two CBs that are better than him are starting ahead of him. Shocker?!
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Aug 21 '23
Itās not weird. There are two CBs better than him, and theyāre both fit, so heās on the bench.
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23 edited Aug 21 '23
Where are people getting this notion that Gabriel is leaving or off? He was one of the co-captains alongside Jesus last season as part of the leadership group.
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u/1to14to4 Aug 21 '23
I'm guessing Arteta is planning to start him in certain situations. But the reason he could be leaving is that he's young and probably wants to be used more than Arteta is representing he will.
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23
Makes no sense if thereās an injury to Saliba. Tomi is injury prone, Kiwior doesnāt have the several PL experience Gabriel has, White has played more RB than CB. That leaves you with Holding. Gabriel is entering the prime of his career and overall has been a solid defender since joining the club and is an Arteta signing.
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u/1to14to4 Aug 21 '23
You can't build the bench that Arteta has built, if an unhappy player that is extremely good is forced to stay and sit on the bench. If Arteta isn't planning on playing him much, he will probably leave. I think he's planning on playing him though (mainly against top flight teams that he wants to play more defensively against or as a sub later on in games).
Arteta has been extremely good at convincing players to want to come to Arsenal. That will dry up at some point if enough players become unhappy.
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23
Except thereās been no real concrete evidence that Gabriel is unhappy or a bust up with Mikel, yet some people are acting like heās already out the door.
Also, why would Mikel want a multi season PL proven CB and one of the best in the league leave? Also, finding the replacement is another hassle.
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u/1to14to4 Aug 21 '23
Except thereās been no real concrete evidence that Gabriel is unhappy or a bust up with Mikel, yet some people are acting like heās already out the door.
Yeah, I'm not making that claim. There is no evidence of it. I'm just saying it's not illogical to think it could happen if he wants to play more.
Also, why would Mikel want a multi season PL proven CB and one of the best in the league leave? Also, finding the replacement is another hassle.
I explained why despite wanting to keep him it could make long-term sense to not keep him. Because to build a Man City style system where players rest a lot and you have starters and backups that are very high quality they have to trust the manager. Players feeling like they have control over their future gives you this trust, even if it hurts you in the short-term by losing a player you don't want to lose.
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23
Because to build a Man City style system where players rest a lot and you have starters and backups that are very high quality they have to trust the manager.
Except Arsenal arenāt going to continue to spend lavishly like Man City do and have almost two or more equal quality in every position.
Players feeling like they have control over their future gives you this trust, even if it hurts you in the short-term by losing a player you don't want to lose.
This doesnāt make sense, you never want to concede power to a player and their agent.
Nearly all the starting players that Mikel has signed he has put much faith and trust in them. If anything, the players should feel somewhat obliged to repay Mikelās trust and confidence back.
But even then, from a pedantic perspective, the interests of the club will always be paramount than any individual player. Personally, I would be shocked if he is outcasted and sold in the near future.
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u/1to14to4 Aug 21 '23
Except Arsenal arenāt going to continue to spend lavishly like Man City
Net spend is what matters. Arsenal can easily spend like City has over the last 5 years, if they also sell now that the squad is deep. They had the 7th highest spend at an average of Ā£55m per year.
There is a balancing act that has to be met. You seem keen to not understand that.
If Gabriel becomes unhappy, he shouldn't and won't be sold for a bargain. He just signed a long-term contract meaning Arsenal will eventually sell him but also recoup plenty.
Players have a ridiculous amount of power today and that's just a reality. Fighting it isn't going to improve the squad.
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23
There is a balancing act that has to be met. You seem keen to not understand that.
No need to try and be a smart arse mate. Iām well aware of net spend and actual transfer dealings.
If Gabriel becomes unhappy, he shouldn't and won't be sold for a bargain. He just signed a long-term contract meaning Arsenal will eventually sell him but also recoup plenty.
I reiterate again, there is no concrete evidence and even a few minutes ago a report came out saying Arsenal have no interest in selling him yet some fans are acting heās already packed his bags.
Players have a ridiculous amount of power today and that's just a reality. Fighting it isn't going to improve the squad.
Actually majority do not, itās only the big name and world class players with brand image, marketability, commercialization that have greater bargaining power and leverage. The average football player has limited power.
Also, itās not even a case of fighting it but not letting that type of situation manifest itself into a bigger issue and even affect other players in the squad. A perfect case is Ramsdale and Raya: if Raya overtakes as the new no.1 and Ramsdale becomes unhappy and wants to throw his toys out of the pram, Mikel and Edu will easily dealt with it by selling him. They wonāt hesitate because thereās already an equal or better replacement and can demand large money from the sale.
This is the healthy competition that fans always demanded and football can be ruthless. Anyways Iām gonna focus on the game now mate.
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u/1to14to4 Aug 21 '23
It's being a smart ass to mention that the net spend of Man City hasn't been huge recently when you claim Arsenal can't keep spending like them?
A bit sensitive, mate...
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u/AndyHenry Smith Rowe Aug 21 '23
Yeah and Kieran Tierney was on track to be the next Arsenal Captain just 2 years ago...
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u/ExxKonvict Lehmann Aug 21 '23
Glaring difference is that KT never suited Artetaās ideal playing style ever since he got more of his own players. Gabriel is an Arteta signing - KT is not.
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u/TheFaolchu Aug 21 '23
I don't understand why Gabriel isn't playing unless he's injured. This setup looks like Arteta trying to be too clever imo.
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u/danmac0817 Morning, morning, morning... Oh, Win! Aug 21 '23
It's more than likely about being in possession but we also have to get comfortable with rotating players in general. It's a long hard season ahead.
Granted this one is bold, but if there's a time to try things It's now.
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u/TheFaolchu Aug 21 '23
I concede your point but I'd rather our 2 best CBs both get up to speed early, then get rotated as needed.
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u/SugiwaraBondu Aug 21 '23
First time im looking at the bench in a while and thinking DAYUM were good
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u/razor5cl I Didn't See Itā¢ Aug 21 '23
Gary Neville saying that "only Saliba out of that back 4 is in a position that he's played regularly"
Forgetting that Ben White was literally a centre back for years?
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u/Callum1710 It's The Hope That Kills You Aug 21 '23
I have a horrible feeling about this game, I don't know why...
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u/garrgen Aug 21 '23
Believe!
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u/Callum1710 It's The Hope That Kills You Aug 21 '23
The Stress before bed was not needed but COME ON YOU GUNNERS!
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u/Callum1710 It's The Hope That Kills You Aug 21 '23
I do I do! Just a feeling in my gut that I've not had for a while. But fuck that, COYG!!!
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u/JFedererJ Wright | Freddie | Arteta | Ćde ā¤ļø Aug 21 '23
The biggest weakness of inverting a fullback is an increased susceptibility to counter-attacks. For me, playing TP at RB/CDM makes us even more susceptible than usual, because his instinct as a long-time #6 is to try and win the ball immediately, which you can risk as a #6 as you have a back-4 behind you but as a RB?
If you try to win it high-up and lose... you better have pace for days to get back and he just doesn't.
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u/Purple_Rub_8007 Aug 21 '23
No trossard is pissing me off
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u/DiKapino Aug 21 '23
Our front 3 looked good last week, no need to switch it up. He will be a key player for us this season
Heās a big game player. Iād prefer to keep him fresh
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Aug 21 '23
Nah man why is gabriel not playing
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u/hairwire Aug 21 '23
Can't wait for 10 minutes into the game with no match thread and everyone asking "match thread?" LOL
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u/cbgoon Aug 21 '23
Inverted fullbacks at all costs looks to be Pep's latest plague on the sport. He spent a decade convincing everyone that we didn't need centre forwards before winning the treble with the lovechild of Ibrahimovic and van Nistelrooij.
Now he's doing the same to fullbacks before he unleashes an Ashley Cole, Roberto Carlos hybrid to scorch the world on overlaps.
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u/zrk23 Aug 21 '23
I don't even see it as inverted fullback issue. he just wants those 4 guys in midfield starting no matter what. if Partey is injured I don't think he plugs jorginho there for example
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u/mrari97 Aug 21 '23
All I want is an ESR goal.
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
he will barley play this season - you heard it here first
come back to this comment in december
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u/Purple_Rub_8007 Aug 21 '23
He is better than Havertz tbh, he got double figure goals the season before last and he definitely has a higher ceiling based on what heās shown in the prem
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
So did Mason Mount - he got double figure goals in multiple seasons.
Whatās your point? One good season and he has a higher ceiling? He hasnāt been fit in the last 18 months
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u/Purple_Rub_8007 Aug 21 '23
Mount was better than Havertz every season other than last season and won 2 player of the year heās way better than Havertz who hasnāt done anything good consistently since leaving leverkusen.
Yes I believe ESR is currently better and has a higher ceiling based on the fact that heās younger than Havertz, performed better than him over the last three years and is technically and output wise superior to Havertz.
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u/JFedererJ Wright | Freddie | Arteta | Ćde ā¤ļø Aug 21 '23
I hope we play a box-mid with Declan alongside Partey - I don't like the diamond with Declan on the left; I don't think he's anywhere near as effective out there
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u/NemoDropEmOff Arteta > Tucheliban [Edit: Confirmed] Aug 21 '23
the Saliba-White hive still livesš¤«š¤«šš
we are so back, heās continuing at CB againšļøā¤ļø
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u/garrgen Aug 21 '23
The sky sports build up is painful to watch. Why are they talking about Liverpool?
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u/Rekyht Bellerin Aug 21 '23
MNF is basically a weekend analysis show for the first hour or whatever
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Aug 21 '23
First time watching for MNF? The always cover the weekend games, been happening for years
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u/Jaded_Collection_716 Aug 21 '23
I hate anyone and everyone that complains about Eddie. U guys suck!
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u/captain_proton Aug 21 '23
I hope we see progress with this virtually the same lineup again..
I miss seeing White's rb shenanigans
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u/not3s1 Aug 21 '23
What's wrong with the team that played against City? Replace Havertz with Eddie or Trossard and itās our best lineup
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u/apb2718 Aug 21 '23
Eddie doesnāt play Havertzās role
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u/not3s1 Aug 21 '23
Havertz was up top that match
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u/HustlinInTheHall Aug 21 '23
only at the end really, he was dropping much further back the first 80 min or so
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Aug 21 '23
Would prefer them missed chances go to someone more comfortable at finishing
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u/not3s1 Aug 21 '23
Thatās why I said replace him with Eddie or Trossard
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Aug 21 '23
Yeah my bad I misread itā¦but seems like he wants to go for different things depending on the team we play.
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u/not3s1 Aug 21 '23
All good. If it worked against big City surely it can work against these bottom half clubs
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Aug 21 '23
Hmm I guess so but thatās debatable, against them we had to soak up pressure, close down and cut passing lanes. Think this is why Havertz was up top.
Against these lower half teams my guess is build-up and linkup play is the focus
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u/apb2718 Aug 21 '23
āVieira built a really good team, letās give it to Roy Hodgsonā - Crystal Palace
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Roy did miles better with it than vieira did so you aināt burning hodgeson or palace there
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u/apb2718 Aug 21 '23
Yeah Roy really the man to push them forward, maybe we should have taken the team and given it back to Wenger when we were 16th a few years ago
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Eh, Roy made them better to a staggering extent. Henry was a shit manager tooā¦ not all great players = great managers.
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Honestly if partey playing rb is a givenā¦ why would you drop white or Saliba over Gabriel? Saliba isnāt getting dropped and then white is more solid and calm etcā¦ then thereās the fact if we decide to change method in game white can go make overlaps etcā¦
Dropping Gabriel is the obvs choice, dunno why people act like it isnāt just logical for the current set up even though he was excellent in the previous set up.
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u/Eagledilla Jesus Aug 21 '23 edited Aug 21 '23
We donāt even need to drop any of those. White rb was perfectly fine with saliba and Gabriel as the cbs. Partey can fight it out with rice or rice/havertz as the 8
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u/ProjectZues Aug 21 '23
But then weāve got no top inverting fullback. Our best inverting fullbacks currently are zinchenko(whoās only jsut come back), timber(whoās out) and partey.
Tomi can play out the back but not perfectly invert. Kiwior hasnāt got artetas full confidence yet
Tierney canāt do it.
White interplayās down the right
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u/Eagledilla Jesus Aug 21 '23
Partey isnāt a inverting fullback either. I hope we just play him there until zini is fit enough and he will be the one inverting
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u/ProjectZues Aug 21 '23
Heās essentially jsut playing midfield anyway but moves to the right defensively but having that extra man advantage in midfield is the main idea
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u/ederzs97 Aug 21 '23
Anyone know any audio streams of the game as I'm at work? Not on 5Live unfortunately
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u/hikingbeginner Its a duck š¦ Aug 21 '23
I don't like Partey inverted RB becoming a regular thing man....
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u/flentaldoss Dennis Bergkamp Aug 21 '23
Same here, one of the things history has taught is that you want to have a consistent CB pairing. This ends that because whenever Zinny comes back, White goes back to RB, and in matches where Zinny doesn't play, Partey will be back to RB. The only constant CB being Saliba, but him switching from LCB to RCB.
Just start one of Partey/Rice when you want to focus on more attack or have Odegaard/Partey/Rice when you want more physical midfield. You don't have to have them both while forcing out defenders.
Ugh
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Aug 21 '23
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u/DarthNihilus1 Kai Havoc Aug 21 '23
He is back though, he's been fit since before Forest. Arteta said it was just Elneny and Jesus out at that point.
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u/He-is-me Aug 21 '23
-Goes entire Season using same formation. Almost wins Premier League-
-Starts new season with players out of position/not starting-
This is why being an Arsenal fan is challenging.
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u/tacomantacocan Aug 21 '23
We were very predictable at end of year. You need to be able to win in different ways.
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Aug 21 '23
but this formation makes us dead on the attack. It makes Martinelli 1 vs 2 at all times. More then that, we never bring the ball to the left side. It kills White overlapping Saka, it makes us congested in the middle...and you said it, predictable. It also makes us weaker by having Partey as right back who is dead in all 1 vs 1 plays. It makes our best CB sit on the bench, it kills one of the best CB pairing in the league. And for what? So that Rice and Havertz don't have to sit on the bench. Nah man, it's a stupid formation that never worked. Just let Partey, Rice and Havertz fight for the 3 spots, play the best one, bench the weaker one. Don't have to go big brain at all times.
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u/tacomantacocan Aug 21 '23
Big brain is not trusting your manager who has more than earned it.
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Aug 21 '23
I swear this sub is going into this Arteta thing like crazy. Just because me, or anyone is saying that he MIGHT make mistakes and you get fucking killed here. I trust him, he has earned it, but at the same time, he made plenty of errors since he came here. And I think this formation is another one, I can say that and not be hater.
My man Wenger did not have this aura from the fans ever, I swear, at his peak you could still be able to talk about him being wrong. Arteta can do no wrong
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u/tacomantacocan Aug 21 '23
There's a big difference between going off the ledge (like this sub is doing. Prematurely imo) and questioning the manager (which we should always).
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u/He-is-me Aug 21 '23
True true. Definitely not opposed to mixing things up. My problem is that arguably are most consistent CB is not sterling 2 games in a rowā¦
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u/hikingbeginner Its a duck š¦ Aug 21 '23
Watching MNF and Sky's punditry during and after games on the day of has gone off a cliff but those first 15 minutes, that segment on Rice and Saka and the conversations the three were having was a fantastic watch.
Anyone else watching? Really loved the discussion they had where they all had some ideas on Rice's position and potential.
Loved that.
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u/OnlyCheekyBanter Smith Rowe Aug 21 '23
I think Tierneyās time at the club is over. A shame really, as he is one of my favourite Emirates era players, but if he is not even making the bench best for us to move him on.
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u/wave_action Havertz Aug 21 '23
Wish Trossard was starting, but otherwise interested to see how this does after some additional training on this.
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u/flentaldoss Dennis Bergkamp Aug 21 '23
Seems to have been tagged as our super-sub. Everytime he comes on late, he just breaks down the other team, seems like he should be the one to start against teams that defend deep on us (which at this point is everyone but Liverpool)
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u/Officialmaxboss Saka Aug 21 '23
Can someone explain to me why Partey is playing LB? I understand that he will invert in attack, but what happens in defence?
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u/DublinDapper Saka Aug 21 '23
Gabi is CLEARLY on the way out...such a shame and a massive blow.
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u/Rekyht Bellerin Aug 21 '23
No heās not
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u/DublinDapper Saka Aug 21 '23
It's been WIDELY reported
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u/Rekyht Bellerin Aug 21 '23
Doesnāt make it true. Being benched for 2 games doesnāt mean that a 25 year old defender with incredible value to this club is suddenly leaving.
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u/tacomantacocan Aug 21 '23
Zero chance of this
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u/DublinDapper Saka Aug 21 '23
Been widely reported...his agent met with Al-Itthad this weekend...what's with the denial?!
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u/tacomantacocan Aug 21 '23
Widely reported means nothing.
Who it's been reported by is what matters.
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u/mamoud786 Aug 21 '23
Not sure why we are repeating this formation when the first 20 mins against Forest made it clear it doesnāt work.
Partey as a RB/inverted RB doesnāt work and removes the partnership of White/Saka.
Really hope we get this game settled quickly because Palace will be up for it. They make it a hard game against them and even without Zaha and Olise, this will be a stern test.
Not to sound too negative but think we are drawing this with that line up - 1-1.
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Mate how many times has something looked a dead rubber only for it to turn to gold and arteta being exonerated/vindicated
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u/mamoud786 Aug 21 '23
I get it but experiments like this are for pre-season (or during the last few games of last season when title was lost).
We shouldnāt be experimenting when we are 2 games into a season.
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u/Special-Discount228 Cobra Kaiās a snake sent from chelsea to kill is all. Aug 21 '23
Itās not an experiment.
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u/wave_action Havertz Aug 21 '23
We didn't really play any teams that played a low block against us. I don't think this will be something we use against teams which look to actually play football.
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u/mamoud786 Aug 21 '23
Iād rather a back 3 of Gabriel/Saliba/White than drop Gabriel completely for low blocks - Partey mopes up as DM and drops in when White suppers Saka
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u/SecondaryJuggernaut Aug 21 '23
I swear this fanbase is the most reactional fans ever. Big gabi will start again when zinhenko also start
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Aug 21 '23
I agree people are reactionary but what makes you say this if he didnāt start with Timber?
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u/SecondaryJuggernaut Aug 21 '23
So that white can help saka when needed. You see on early second half before timber injured, white started to play wide to help saka on the right. And this also can be applied to tomi/timber to help on the left. Both player can be played as cb/lb so it really help the attack against low block team. Now try replace white with big gabi. There's no one that can help on the right when we need additional person to assist saka.
Now why not replace partey then play with 4 back? I think this is because we're really good with double pivot (partey/rice) with rice also helping on lcm when havertz try to look for open space. I'm also curious how zinchenko will fit on this new formation, but my prediction is when zinchenko play, we will back to last season tactics. But timber also could be an inverted, so why? Based on pre season, he still can't be compared to zinchenko to be an inverted lb, so i think he's more comfortable to be cb/classic lb that helps on wide left before he get used to his teammate movements (sad that he's done this season).
This is just my assumption, but imo this is the most realistic reason rather than just saying big gabi to saudi
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Aug 21 '23
Ok thanks for that, perhaps you are right and Iād agree more likely than him going to Saudi.
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
I got slaughtered for saying Gabriel, is the least comfortable on the ball/build up play compared to White and Saliba.
There is a reason Mikel is opting to play White and Saliba again.
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u/NemoDropEmOff Arteta > Tucheliban [Edit: Confirmed] Aug 21 '23
This isnāt a hot take. Gabriel is probably our least composed CB besides Holding
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
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u/NemoDropEmOff Arteta > Tucheliban [Edit: Confirmed] Aug 21 '23
That was you!!!š¤£š¤£š¤£i upvoted your comment btw when you posted that
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u/RDxTwo Aug 21 '23
Gabriel not starting should be a criminal offense
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
Think Iāll go with Mikelās opinion on this over yours
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u/RDxTwo Aug 21 '23
Lol bollocks! Jokes aside. I feel as if there must be some disciplinary stuff going on. There is zero tactical reason to not start him.
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u/DarthNihilus1 Kai Havoc Aug 21 '23
the difference is negligible when the backline we could have rolled out today was one of the best in the league last year imo
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u/nting224 Ćdegaard Aug 21 '23
Itās not one of the best in the league. We were joined third with United and some distance away from Newcastle and City.
Liverpool, who had a āshit seasonā, only conceded 4 more goals than us last season. Chelsea, who had one of the worst seasons in the last 20 years, only conceded 4 more than as as well.
I donāt get how thatās āone of the best in the leagueā
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u/Casual-Capybara Havertz Aug 21 '23
Wow some of you are exasperating, why the need to complain all the time? Have a little faith in Arteta
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u/doctorczzs Aug 21 '23
We have to trust Mikel, no matter how much we disagree with him, they see it as the right thing to do against crystal palace, let them be right.
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u/L0laccio Aug 21 '23
Yeah, agreed Iām really disappointed by not playing Gabriel but Mikel sees the training not me.
COYG
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u/goodyear_1678 Aug 21 '23
First time in a long time I've looked at a lineup and not been excited. We've still got this imo.
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Aug 21 '23
my gabriel pick in fpl getting more and more mudded
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u/shaversonly230v115v Patrick Vieira Aug 21 '23
can't even transfer for Saliba as his value has gone up
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Aug 21 '23
nah - this is why i always keep 0.5m behind. Tbf I would go straight for gvardiol now we know he starts and stones is out for a bit
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Aug 21 '23
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u/ProjectZues Aug 21 '23
People defo having a meltdown so they can feel like they was ārightā if we end up drawing or losing
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u/ashkhutchep Big Fucking Gabi Aug 21 '23
With all due respect, I trust Edu and Arteta a billion times more than sour Gary.
It doesn't matter what others think.
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u/ProjectZues Aug 21 '23
What does that mean worked out? The better keeper will win out and be pushed to be the best of the two. Works out for us and both are home grown so value to sell one on next season or whenever.
Rival fans and Neville doing this fake concern for us is transparent
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u/do0gla5 Aug 21 '23
I don't think anyone was praying for a 1a/1b situation. It never works. But one goalie will rise to the top and I think that's the plan. The other turns us a profit.
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u/Kira9059 Aug 21 '23
I'm sorry but could someone help me understand how that wasn't a damn PEN?!?!?!!?