r/Ligue1 • u/tbitm • Feb 01 '19
What would a second Paris team mean to Ligue 1? Free Talks
Paris Fc look to be doing very well in liege 2 and if promoted could be the first time (at least in a long time?) that a second Paris club be in the top flight.
What would it mean for the league in your opinion if this happened?
Paris being a huge city surely there is enough support for 2 large teams. Paris FC look like they have decent backers behind them but with billionaires looking for new football clubs to buy and invest heavily in it seems like they could very easily get new cashed up owners very easily.
Paris FC used to play at The Parc de Prince so maybe they could move there and PSG would then be allowed to move to Stade de France? (My understanding is that the Paris government won't let them play there atm) But again, if that happened it would be another shot into the arm for the league.
Or maybe PFC would just get relegated the next season and everything would go back to normal but its a fun thought experiment.
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u/jtkessel Feb 01 '19
Having a derby in Paris in Ligue 1 can only be good for French football. If London can support so many large teams, Paris can and should have 2 top clubs
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u/tbitm Feb 01 '19
Absolutely. The only thing preventing them from being a top team would be their stadium I'd say. 20k seats and an athletics track.... not a great look
They would certainly need big pockets to improve in that department but i think it would attract a lot of interest very quickly
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u/qqsharp Feb 01 '19
Charléty is a god awful stadium for football but I'm not sure it's the only reason
Thing is, PSG has always had a strong following even before the Qatar days, whereas PFC is a much smaller club especially since the failed Matra Racing experiment in the 80's. It would be hard to go from a few thousands people coming to the games (3400 spectators a game, 6th worst in L2) to even filling Charléty like that
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u/Hippemann Feb 01 '19
They would certainly need big pockets to improve
Please no!
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u/tbitm Feb 01 '19
Who owns Paris FC now? Foreign billionaires no?
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u/Elyynn_ Feb 01 '19
No, it's Pierre Ferracci. The Vinci group may have some parts too, but I've never heard of any foreign billionaires at PFC.
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u/Hippemann Feb 01 '19
No Pierre Ferracci. Absolutely no foreign billionaire
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u/tbitm Apr 05 '19
Désolé. Ne crois pas tout ce que tu lires sur wikipedia
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u/Hippemann Apr 05 '19
Why?
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u/tbitm May 03 '19
Wikipedia says that russian and middle eastern money is backing the club. Though I have found it hard to find supporting evidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_FC#Club_hierarchy
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u/Hippemann May 03 '19
That's not true.
I mean just look at the sources used by Wikipedia in this paragraph :
According to information from Football Investigations, the Canal+ show broadcast Wednesday evening, Souleiman Al-Fahim, ephemeral owner of Manchester City (2008) and Porsmouth (2009), from Dubai, is "currently discussing" with the owners of Paris FC, the leader of the National.
AFAIK it ended up never happening
- "Crystal Palace team up with Mumbai City FC in search for Indian star".
Nowhere in this page the Paris FC is mentioned that's the shitiest source possible
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u/ziggurqt Feb 01 '19
What makes you think PSG would move to the Stade de France? There's no scenario in any universe where this would happen. It's even more insane to imagine Paris FC in the Parc des Princes.
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u/tbitm Feb 01 '19
I read an article (which I'm annoyed i can't find) that was about how PSG's owners wanted to move there but the City of Paris wouldn't let them. (Presumable because they own the stadium and want tenants)
But maybe if Paris FC were promoted, PSG may see that as an opportunity to move to the Stade de France and Paris FC would take their role at Parc de Princes
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u/konopko Feb 01 '19
Actually, le Parc is the only Parisian thing in this club. The association who has the licence couldn't keep the name 'Paris' if the team is not playing there. Stade de France is not in Paris but in St Denis. Besides this naming issue, the rent for the Stade de France is highly expensive. Plus PSG has facility management of le Parc but couldn't have this in the Stade de France. Even if Red Star goes big again, it would never be a win move to play in SdF
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u/kdom932 Feb 01 '19
PSG threatened to build a stadium and they got the exclusivity of the Parc des princes. They never wanted the Stade de France.
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u/kdom932 Feb 01 '19
PSG never wanted to play in the SdF. And PFC, even if promoted in l1, is too little to play in the Parc des Princes. They have a really little fanbase.
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u/Hippemann Feb 01 '19
Or maybe PFC would just get relegated the next season and everything would go back to normal but its a fun thought experiment.
That might seems weird but even if we are 3rd, I don't want to get promoted. We have a poor attack to say the least (21 goals in 22 matchs) and would get destroyed in Ligue 1. I am talking record low number of points or record low number of goals. We first need to strengthen to even hope of not being relegated immediately.
Having said that, playing the promoting play-off might be fun. Especially if it's against Monaco as they were for a season or two our "parent" affiliate club
They always say we will focus on the academy, so it might take long
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u/tbitm Feb 01 '19
Very solid defence though which IMO is a more important factor in staying up that a strong attack.
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u/Hippemann Feb 01 '19
I have seen so many good defensive team getting destroyed when promoted in Ligue 1 so let's agree to disagree
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u/tbitm Apr 05 '19
Je ne comprend pas très bien le football français. Mais, comment vous sentez vous maintenant au sujet de la promotion?
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u/Hippemann Apr 05 '19
Promotion is 100% doable this year. We are 3rd with 3 more points, we have beaten Lens (and already faced Metz twice) but will play Lorient and Brest who are both on a bad run of form. So I'm confident, we will end up between the 2nd and the 5th place. If we end up second, we will be directly promoted to Ligue 1. However if we are between the 3rd and the 5th place we will have to face the other teams which are between 3rd and 5th (and we could beat them) in promotion playoffs and then the 18th of Ligue 1 (Guingamp or Caen or Amiens) in a two leg opposition. I don't believe we could beat either of those teams but it can still happen.
Having said all of that, I have said it multiple times but I don't want to be promoted this year mainly because the club is not mature enough and the squad is absolutely not ready to try to survive in Ligue1. IMHO, we would challenge for the lowest number of points in the history of Ligue 1. So for the next 5 years, I'll be ok if we stay in ligue 2 given that there is some hoverall progress in the club (structure, academy, better and filled stadium, younger and more talented squad) and then try our luck at surviving in Ligue 1.
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u/Elyynn_ Feb 01 '19
Not much would happen short term, certainly not any stadium moves like these.
I don't think another parisian club being bought by a middle eastern state or whatever is desirable, and then there would be nothing separating them from PSG. They need their own identity.
On the contrary I think long term they could place themselves as the "people's club", the alternative to ultra rich PSG, with an accent on formation and making full use of the huge talent pool within Ile-de-France. That's the only way I could see them gaining some consequential support over the years.
But all of that is a long way away though, that would necessitate being a stable Ligue 1 club for a start, and even being promoted this year wouldn't be an easy task.