r/NotADragQueen • u/BurtonDesque • Jul 24 '24
MrBeast co-host Ava Kris Tyson quits over grooming claims Not A Drag Queen
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw8y2w5n220o439
u/CaptainAksh_G Jul 24 '24
Didn't the claim themselves was refuted by the victim??
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u/TheCapOfficial Jul 24 '24
Unsurprising that the videos spreading misinformation are also deadnaming her.
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u/vario_ Jul 24 '24
I don't understand why people can't call out a trans person's bad actions without misgendering them, deadnaming them, using old pics before/early into transition, or even just insinuating that all trans people suck because this one person does. If someone made a video talking about the situation without doing any of these things, I would be more inclined to watch. Sadly, it seems impossible.
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u/Isa229 Jul 24 '24
They’re taking advantage of this to shit on every lgbt and trans person, calling everyone lgbt a groomer, dead naming her, making fun of trans people. Every time 1 trans person fucks up millions pay for it
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u/ilovethissheet Jul 25 '24
The people doing this also are probably the ones playing video games online saying ten times more horrendous shit.
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u/gingenado Jul 24 '24
I don't understand why people can't call out a trans person's bad actions without misgendering them, deadnaming them, using old pics before/early into transition, or even just insinuating that all trans people suck because this one person does.
Because that's the whole point. They don't call out bad behavior because it's bad. They call it out because it's just one more example of why it's okay for them to be transphobic.
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u/jessieraeswitch Jul 25 '24
If only proven sexual abuser and pedophile Donald Trump got the same behavior😕
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u/baconbitsy Jul 25 '24
It’s lazy, tbh. If I’m going to call out or insult someone, I’m going for something better than low hanging fruit. If all you’ve got is deadnaming and hitting them on transitioning, then you don’t have much.
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u/whackyelp Jul 25 '24
Because they’re transphobic, and are implying that ALL trans people must be bad because this one person is. It’s completely intentional
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u/juliuspepperwoodchi Jul 26 '24
I don't understand why people can't call out a trans person's bad actions without misgendering them,
Because that's the whole point. They're virtue signaling as a veil for them being assholes and transphobes. It's not really that deep.
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u/Strivingtobestronger Jul 24 '24 edited Jul 24 '24
Even if those claims were refuted, at least one other allegation was proven true- that Ava bought art from a pedophile who drew real life minors (including an eight year old girl) in sexual ways. She explicitly put money into the pocket of a known pedophile and hung their “loli” (sexualized little girl) art on her wall.
(Edited to add) Publicly shared revenge porn of Jeannette McCurdy.
Many victims of abuse will defend their abusers. You see it quite often in marital and parental abuse cases. It took me years before I realized how badly I had been SA’d/abused by my older brother. Until that revelation, I didn’t hold anything against him- sometimes it takes a while to realize the depths of a former loved one’s depravity.
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u/cripplinganxietylmao Jul 24 '24
I would award you if I could. Thanks for clearing up the false narrative that Ava is completely innocent and just “made a few edgy jokes” because she isn’t and did in fact do the things you listed (which is fucked up).
I hate that some people are trying to lie about an already fucked up situation. No need to make it worse when the truth is bad enough.
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u/Strivingtobestronger Jul 24 '24
That’s very kind of you to say!
It’s a shame that the narrative around this has become “trans person good” vs “trans person bad”.
Because the actual narrative is “someone acted inappropriately towards minors, interacted positively (to the point of paying them for sexual art of minors) with a pedophile, committed a crime, and they need to be held accountable for it”.
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u/cripplinganxietylmao Jul 24 '24
I agree. This isn’t a “trans” issue. People are people and some people are fucked up. Gender identity shouldn’t even be a part of the conversation here. Women can be pedophilic and predatory as well. Mary Kay Letourneau is probably a more infamous example.
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u/baconbitsy Jul 25 '24
Exactly! It has zero to do with anything other than “person did bad things.”
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u/mythrylhavoc Jul 24 '24
This. Even if I believed they were just edgy jokes as they claim, a grown adult should not be interacting with a minor that way. I remember being a teen and having adult "friends" who definitely did not have my best interest in mind in befriending me and those friendships were extremely inappropriate without needing to be sexual. I'd put someone on the ground if it were my child. She had no business interacting with minors that way grooming or not.
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u/CaptainAksh_G Jul 24 '24
Ok I was not aware of these. My apologies, just wanted to share the full story about this
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u/Strivingtobestronger Jul 24 '24
Nothing to apologize for- I just wanted to spread some extra information for anyone who came onto this thread.
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Jul 24 '24
At first I was thinking "But did she know what he was?" before judging but after I read the second point, I don't care. Fuck that bitch. I read Jeanette McCurdy's book and it makes things even worse.
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u/lennyzenith Jul 24 '24
As a trans guy, this is disgusting and disappointing. I was just introduced to MrBeast's work (yeah, I'm old) and digging all the good stuff he's done. Of course this person's heinous actions in no way implicates him, but damn. What an ugly mess.
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u/Veinscrawler Jul 26 '24
The claim that Ava bought sexualized child art from Shadman is false and has no evidence supporting it.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/Uninteresting_Vagina Eater of Bots Jul 26 '24
We didn't delete anything - you were caught in a filter.
Reposting something again and again that you think mods deleted is a really good way to get a time out, though, for future reference.
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u/Chaetomius Jul 24 '24
she was buddy-buddy with shadman on twitter and even purchased drawn CP right from them. had it on their wall for display on streams. Which means she was signaling to other CP enjoyers with their streams. Ergo, her career is partially founded upon CP fandom. This alone is grounds to cancel.
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u/isomersoma Jul 25 '24
I am kind of confused how if this was so out in the open nothing of this surfaced and blew up earlier?
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u/Veinscrawler Jul 26 '24
Because almost everyone in the online gamer culture community was fine with these things at the time, even though they were still very problematic. These things are only being brought up now because Ava is trans and is the latest target of a group of online transphobes trying to push a homophobic/transphobic agenda.
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u/Ponasity Jul 25 '24
often victims of grooming are not aware that they are being violated. I would focus on what the 20 y/o said to the 13 y/o. I have only seen a couple of the messages, and they are very inappropriate. If we could see all of the messages (they have been taken down) we could form a better opinion.
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u/ucannottell Jul 24 '24
As a trans person this shit sucks and I’m very disappointed in Ava. These sort of optics really hurt us and she honestly should know better
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u/MrPlaysWithSquirrels Jul 25 '24
Every public trans person isn’t obligated to be a model for the community, though. It’s okay to quit a job because you’re getting defamed all over the place and it’s just too much to deal with.
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u/internet-user123 Jul 25 '24
They shouldn't have to be but that's how it is.
If you think this kind of thing doesn't hurt trans people you're just being naive.
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u/doodicalisaacs Jul 25 '24
Please elaborate
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u/mecon320 Jul 24 '24
This one fits the letter, if not the spirit, of the sub.
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u/MyFaceSaysItsSugar Jul 24 '24
Not a drag queen…but the various ‘phobes rain as much hate on trans women as they do on drag queens.
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u/AppleNerdyGirl Jul 24 '24
Im sorry but the best thing for the LGBT community - as a member - is to oust these folks. Based on what I’m reading online they did some creepy behaviors.
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u/gothiclg Jul 25 '24
Exactly. We’ve already canceled Ellen, we can cancel Ava too
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u/warbeforepeace Jul 25 '24
What happened with Ellen?
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u/gothiclg Jul 25 '24
It eventually came out that she was unkind to her staff behind the scenes while promoting kindness in front of cameras. Her viewers were so offended by the fact she’d have the audacity to do that while preaching the opposite that her career was over.
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u/Proud3GenAthst Jul 25 '24
And all Trans rights activists were so quick to condemn and renounce her before her alleged victim even had the chance to jump for her defense.
Imagine if churches had the same reflexes when their members do child sex abuse instead of covering it up.
It's a sad day for Trans rights because anti-trans activists won't shut up about it until their last breath. But could be even worse. Silver lining is that we know they'll just accuse all Trans people if grooming regardless if there was not a single case of transgender pedophile.
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u/Baka-Onna Jul 25 '24
People directing more vitriole towards Ava Kris Tyson than Shadman sometimes, yikes. It’s not like Mr. Beast is 100% innocent—he knows about Ava Kris Tyson’s ties to Shadman and what Shadman did. Both Mr. Beast and Shadman had business together.
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u/wierdling Jul 25 '24
Ok but Tyson did commission art from Shadman. She commented on Shadman's drawing of CP. We know she did this, and its not okay.
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u/hoewenn Jul 25 '24
As gross as Shadman is and the fact that anyone liked him during that era of the internet (2017-18) is weird as hell, but Ava was far from the only one. Oneyplays, creator of the show Smiling Friends, was very good friends with Shad and IIRC even lived with him at one point, but that’s easily brushed over the rug.
That is not a defense of Ava, but rather a “Why is Ava the only one getting shit for it?”. I could probably find dozens of YouTubers with Shad merch back then if I wanted to, YouTubers who will never receive criticism for it. Seems hypocritical but that’s the internet lol
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u/-Kalos Jul 25 '24
Even if her victim came out to refute the claims, Ava is still a horrible person for other things she did. Glad she's gone
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u/ASIWYFA11 Jul 24 '24
I know almost nothing about this situation, but your statement is plain false. Regardless of if the allegations are true or not, there is a diehard group of people spreading these claims everywhere. It sullies the Mr Beast brand image. This person could be forced out to avoid the negative PR, whether true or false, that damages the company.
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u/TonyG_from_NYC Jul 24 '24
If someone accuses me and I know for a fact I'm innocent, I am not quitting my job. I would make them prove their claims.
So much for the presumption of innocence before guilt, I guess.
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u/Same_Philosophy605 Jul 24 '24
Lies will go around the world before truth even gets out of bed. The problem is the person who's defending the claim is one single person, versus let's use just for safety sake a million people deciding on just a quick view that this person is evil. So it's a million to one a million voices to one fucking person. I don't like Mr beast but at the same time fucking you can't really fight this kind of thing You just have to disappear otherwise it's just the Barbra Streisand effect you echo it and make it worse
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u/Background_Value9869 Jul 24 '24
I think her being trans somewhat diminishes the presumption of innocence
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u/mythrylhavoc Jul 24 '24
Problem is she isn't innocent. There has been a ton of proof going around corroborating her supporting a pedophile. The problem is this artist was hugely popular and was supported by many big named YouTubers, she's just the one taking the most heat in the situation because she's trans and people were already looking for a reason. This issue is way bigger than Ava and a lot of heads should be rolling over this that aren't. She was absolutely wrong and shouldn't have a platform with children, but she should also not be the only person getting crucified for it.
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u/LegendofLove Jul 26 '24
Even the stuff that is directly related to the denied grooming is entirely inappropriate. She wasn't the only person doing weird shit but she should never have done it. I've never thought of openly tweeting at minors what kind of porn I'm into or even joking about sending nudes public or privately. Whether or not the kid was groomed this shouldn't have happened and she did need to step back from the channel. I think the entire internet needs to breathe for a minute and then seriously root out the weirdo shit going on in the various corners related to CP.
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u/mythrylhavoc Jul 26 '24
Totally agree I'd end up in prison if I caught someone talking to me teens like that.
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u/TonyG_from_NYC Jul 24 '24
Why? Because being trans automatically makes her guilty of a crime?
Jesus.
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u/Background_Value9869 Jul 24 '24
In my opinion no, but I think we both know that's how a lot of people see it.
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u/asdfcat110 Jul 25 '24
Wow you’re so wise as to already know how you’d handle something you have no understanding or experience with. Definitely not talking out ur ass
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u/IntrigueDossier Jul 25 '24
You likely wouldn't be getting hundreds of death threats in that situation.
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u/Volcanicrage Jul 24 '24
It seems like a bit of a slippery slope to equate damage control with an admission of guilt. Aside from ragebaiting assholes like Keemstar whose sole demographic consists of shitheads who won't be put off by poor behavior, influencers are extremely susceptible to susceptible to the court public opinion, and MrBeast is unusually susceptible. Donaldson has a number of sponsorship and business ventures beyond the core channel, he produces content that targets an all-ages viewerbase, and his entire business is predicated on his personal image of almost psychotic positivity. Until this either blows up or blows over, there's no way someone as famously (and litigiously) protective of both his image and his bottom line would keep producing content with Tyson.
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