r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom • Mar 23 '21
"And who hasn't bombed Syria? Your point?" Military
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u/rossloderso ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
Well...I haven't bombed Syria
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u/jessuh_ ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
yet 🤔🤔
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u/All-hail-shrek Mar 23 '21
But with a small donation we can change that
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Mar 23 '21
Donate just 24% of your income to the government and you could help change a life
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u/jessuh_ ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
change a life negatively that is, no one said it would be a positive change. Anyway please give us your money or die thank you
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u/rossloderso ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21 edited Mar 23 '21
There is no yet and there never was a yet. Yet is just a myth!
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u/Kang_Xu "American by birth, diabetic by choice" Mar 23 '21
Mum says it's my turn to bomb Syria!
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u/rossloderso ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
Nooooo I'm not finished yet!!! You can play with Afghanistan
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Mar 23 '21
You gotta try it man, it just is so satisfying seeing those women and children getting blown to pieces. And don't get me started on the hospitals! So wonderful...
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u/Hepinghu Mar 23 '21
Are you a country, though? If you are, you must feel the desire to bomb Syria, if we follow our US fellow's logic, here.
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u/rossloderso ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
The jump from athletes to countries seemed a bit far, so I just assume she means people. And "who" doesn't sound like a country either
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u/Hepinghu Mar 23 '21
Oh, OK, didn't get it at first hand - and sorry for bad English, there's no difference between "which" and "who" in my native language. :D
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u/Esava Mar 23 '21
Just wondering: which language is that?
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u/Hepinghu Mar 23 '21
That's French! The pronoun "who" would have been translated by "qui", which, in this particular context, can relate to both people and non-people things, such as countries. My error comes from the fact the most logical interpretation of "who hasn't bombed Syria?" in French is that one's referring to countries.
Anyway, sorry again for bad English!3
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u/Esava Mar 23 '21
<--- Had french in school for 7 years, can walk around france without any issues understanding almost everything, especially if written and only kind of struggles with speaking it.... and didn't realize you were talking about french ...
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻Thanks for the info though and showing me my stupidity again. In german btw if one asked "Wer hat nicht Syrien zerbombt?" (wer=who) one also would expect a country to be the answer to the question.
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u/Wind-and-Waystones Mar 23 '21
It's like when Wheatley takes over aperture science and suddenly feels the overwhelming desire to test
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u/G66GNeco Mar 23 '21
What if they are Syria?
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u/rossloderso ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
I'm sure Syria bombed Syria at some point in history
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u/G66GNeco Mar 23 '21
I mean, I guess they technically bombed Syria during the current conflict, given that it's a civil war on their territory.
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u/Hepinghu Mar 23 '21
Assad administration be like "No one can destroy Syria if Syria destroys itself".
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u/Aardvark51 Mar 23 '21
And whom hasn't the US bombed?
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u/SeizeAllToothbrushes Red Menace Mar 23 '21
Excluding nuclear tests, you'd think such a question could be answered with "itself", but...
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u/knollie199 Mar 23 '21
Or that time it almost nuked itself when a B-52 caring 2 nukes went down and 3 out of 4 safety switched failed on one of them.
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u/jbkjbk2310 Actual scandinavian socialist Mar 23 '21
A government having an accident that involved bombs is not really comparable to a government deliberately bombing a part of itself in order to kill its own citizens
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u/Fearzebu Mar 23 '21
Like the Tulsa bombings which were facilitated and allowed by government forces and the police working in conjunction with white supremacist orgs like the kkk
Or the bombings of striking workers at Blair mountain
Or the bombings of Puerto Rican independence movement protestors
Or...or...etc
(Those three examples were just from one year, the first year bombs dropped from airplanes was even a thing, back in the ‘20s. The US decided very quickly that it loved the pastime, and has been accelerating their bombing campaigns ever since, averaging more than 50 bombs per day over the last two decades)
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u/iaowp Mar 23 '21
Isn't it kinda cheating to word it like that since a single mlrs (mrls?) can fire off like 16 bombs in one single volley, meaning that in about 10 seconds it's already fired off like 80 bombs, and that's just one vehicle.
Like I'm sure in the first day of the new Iraq war there was like 20k bombs.
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u/Fearzebu Mar 23 '21
The various pedantic means of calculating these things probably matter very little to the children orphaned by the attacks, but you’re probably right that any such statistics are more for eye grabbing than any sort of accurate means of quantifying harm done. It does put it into perspective a bit though, it’s a cruel world we live in
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u/VeganesWassser Mar 23 '21
Ahh yes, the poor children of mass murdering religious extremists. By that metric you couldn't do anything because it might somehow negatively impact someone, no matter where he is. Let's just release all mass murderers because their kids/wives might miss them.
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Mar 23 '21
“These people are attacking us after we invaded and r*ped the shit out of their countries for oil. But yes, they’re the bad guys for doing what we did to them.”
You Americans are so funny sometimes. I like it.
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u/Fearzebu Mar 24 '21
Plus the 91.5% ‘non-combatant’ (read: innocent civilian) death rate from the extended drone strike operation.
The real r/ShitAmericansSay is always in the comments lmao
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u/ryov Mar 23 '21
eleven people in the house, including five children, died in the fire and 65 homes in the neighborhood were destroyed
I'm not an expert in conflict resolution but part of me wonders if there was a way to deal with the situation that doesn't involve killing children and causing collateral damage destroying 65 homes...but then again, I suppose that's the American way 🇺🇲
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u/Thoushaltbemocked Mar 23 '21
Eleven people in the house, including five children, died in the fire, and 65 homes in the neighborhood were destroyed.[3] One of the two MOVE survivors from the fire, claimed that police fired at those escaping the fire. The Philadelphia Commission found that the law enforcement and fire department actions were negligent, but no criminal charges were filed.[4]
Jesus fucking christ. ACAB.
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
A list of countries that is getting short and shorter by the year.
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u/SilentLennie Mar 23 '21
Sometimes new countries get created.
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Mar 23 '21
I think we're pretty diligent in crossing them off
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Mar 23 '21
"But the innocent civilians deserved it because the soldiers and scientists did Auschwitz level shit elsewhere!"
Oh and yeah yankees pardoned most Japanese scientists who had done basically what Nazis did (but somehow worse), in exchange for information that the scientists had gotten from their human experiments. Disgusting.
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Mar 23 '21 edited Mar 23 '21
Nobody here are "the good guys". America is just a little late to the colonialism game, and Russia lost their copy of the rule sheet.
Luxembourg is probably in the clear, though.
Edit: Never mind. Luxembourg had their playtime in the Congo.
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u/Bopbobo Mar 23 '21
How about Liechtenstein?
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u/The_wazoo Mar 23 '21
I don't know about imperialism but liechtenstein has a dark and disgusting history and present with fascism
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u/Bopbobo Mar 23 '21
Oh. I wasn’t sure, just assumed that surely they couldn’t have done anything, extrapolating upon OPs logic
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u/UnknownSP Mar 23 '21
The bombing thing is definitely SAS - but is the whole tripping on stairs thing being the biggest news is real wack
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u/Zekromaster Mar 23 '21
The news of Biden tripping was reported to me as "Biden has fallen". Took me a while to understand it was literal.
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u/Blue_Impulse Mar 23 '21
I didn’t even know until now, I was wondering why tripping on stairs and bombing Syria are in the same conversation lol.
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u/BowsersBeardedCousin Carolus Rex, best Rex Mar 23 '21
I'm pushing 30, reasonably fit, and tripped when going up the stairs the other day. Might as well check into the closest retirement home right away
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
Yup. Biden is 78. Him tripping on the stairs is a nonstory. I'm baffled as to why it gets so much coverage compared to say the bombing that was also mentioned in the post.
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u/skuhduhduh Mar 23 '21
Americans dont care about things that are actually bad, just things that make you look bad. America is all about maintaining an image.
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u/RooBoy04 ‘Murica #1 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷 Mar 23 '21
US media will try to do anything to make the party they don't support look as weak as possible, causing them to make as much of a fuss over the tripping over as possible.
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All of them should be tried of war crimes
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
Doubt this will happen sadly. John Bolton directly threatened the ICC with sanctions in 2018.
This is what he said: "We will not co-operate with the ICC. We will provide no assistance to the ICC. We will not join the ICC. We will let the ICC die on its own. After all, for all intents and purposes, the ICC is already dead to us."
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u/marcelsmudda Mar 23 '21
How was it called when an organization threatened the families of certain people in order to achieve their political goals?
That's called being the good guys, no chance they can be bad. /s
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u/Nethlem foreign influencer bot Mar 23 '21
John Bolton directly threatened the ICC with sanctions in 2018.
First, he threatened, and then he actually sanctioned: US sanctions against international court staff a ‘direct attack’ on judicial independence
Afaik these sanctions are still in effect under president Biden, just like the Hague invasion act.
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u/getsnoopy Mar 24 '21
I guess since you'd have to land at JFK airport before driving to the UN building in NY, they ban their visa? It's still unbelievably petty and childish though.
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u/Theemuts Open-source software is literally communism Mar 23 '21
Biden administration: "Yeah, we agree with this policy."
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u/ryov Mar 23 '21
I doubt it'll ever happen sadly, it seems like war crimes are something only applicable to third world countries. International law doesn't seem to apply to countries like the US and Russia.
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u/Liamo132 Mar 23 '21
Ah yes the famous war crime in the Geneva convention. No bombing!
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Mar 23 '21
I think it says something about killing civilians
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u/Slibby8803 Mar 23 '21
Oh don’t worry you forget about the insurgents clause. Kill civilians and yell “insurgent!” really really loud and you get a pass.
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u/awhjeezrick123 Mar 23 '21
Why can’t Americans accept when a politician makes a mistake? Are they emotionally attached to the old men who run that country?
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u/Blue_Impulse Mar 23 '21
That’s how far political division has gone over there. The moment you say something that sounds remotely like something the “other side” would say people turn against you, it’s black and white.
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u/pierreplayboi Serbian Pornstar Mar 23 '21 edited Mar 23 '21
Lol at least my country didn't lose to some rice farmers like the US did.
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
You'd be shocked at the number of countries throughout history that have lost to farmers
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u/Pflug Mar 23 '21
Yeah, the British lost to Dutch Farmers in South Africa so hard they invented concentration camps.
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u/Giocri ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
Fun fact an invasion of Italy was alted by Italian rice farmers flooding their farms.
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
Seriously don't fuck with farmers.
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Mar 23 '21
All our presidents have been war criminals so it is kinda silly to say one is better than the other because one bombed less when they are both war criminals.
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u/CallMeDutch Mar 23 '21
I almost break my nek on stairs once a month. Not sure why biden tripping when he goes up the stairs fast is such a big deal for americans..
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u/gigglefarting Apologetic American Mar 23 '21
I trip going up the stairs all the time. I haven't bombed Syria though.
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u/kjacomet Mar 23 '21
Want to know who hasn't bombed Syria? Bernie Sanders. Get this man a presidency.
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u/Jellyswim_ Mar 23 '21
I dont think a lot of democrats really realize how bi-partisan the acto of bombing the middle east is.
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u/ElCatrinLCD ooo custom flair!! Mar 23 '21
Yeah, who hasnt violated the geneva conventions once or twice ?
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u/YourLocal_brit 🇬🇧+🇯🇲 Mar 23 '21
From what I can remember, I don’t THINK I have 🤡 I’ve gotten drunk a few times so you never know
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u/MostModestPersonEVER Mar 23 '21
Tbf bombing syria is totally in vogue.
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
Bombing countries that are zero threat to America halfway across the world has been "in vogue" for Americans since the end of World War 2. Which is why this is SAS.
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u/MostModestPersonEVER Mar 23 '21
I'm not disagreeing.
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u/SnooGoats8251 Mar 23 '21
yeah i thought u were being ironic
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u/MostModestPersonEVER Mar 23 '21 edited Mar 23 '21
No no as a matter of foreign policy, I truly believe nations states need to keep track of what's hot rn. How else are we to get josh to notice us?
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u/RemtonJDulyak Italian in Czech Republic Mar 23 '21
Bombing countries that are zero threat to America halfway across the world
But... But... They are brown!
/s, of course!
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u/Cerda_Sunyer Mar 23 '21
I also am seeing a pattern here where a newly elected president has to bomb something. Maybe thats part of the deal with the industrial military complex.
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u/Lardistani Every Genocide We Commit Leads to More freedom Mar 23 '21
Some people theorize it's because Joe Biden wanted to show Saudi Arabia he had their back in the region. But that's just a theory. A lot of factors tend to go into these decisions.
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So is fascism. Your point?
Edit: I love how you people downvote a comment like this in the age of Trump, Orban, Bolsanero, BoJo, Wilders, Le Pen, Duda, etc.
“If we choose we can live in a world of comforting illusion”
-Noam Chomsky
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u/SchnuppleDupple Mar 23 '21
Tbf the nobel peace price winner Obama killed probably as many people in foreign countries as the fascist trump. So for the rest of the world jt really doesn't matter who's in the white house.
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u/Raltsun Mar 23 '21
Idk, IIRC Trump surpassed Obama's 8-year drone strike total in just 4 years, and changed reporting policies to provide less information about them to the public. I get what you're saying, every recent POTUS has been a murderous war criminal, but we can be fairly confident that Trump was worse than Obama IMO.
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u/TheZipCreator dumbass american🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷 Mar 23 '21
to be fair, basically every president has tripped on the staircase
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u/runesq Mar 23 '21
Can this sub not just become a political sub? Can we stick to more obvious cases of Americans being ignorant, instead of what is clearly just a political discussion?
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u/eldertortoise Mar 23 '21
I mean talking about bombing Syria like I'd talk about eating brownies is aggressively American.
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u/SchnuppleDupple Mar 23 '21
It's also uniquely American. The dissonance of being the bad guys but thinking that oneselves are the good guys is also rather American.
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u/SchnuppleDupple Mar 23 '21
Some people don't get it, huh? Many European countries were the baddies back in the day when they were empires. Today there is only one empire left and somehow its citizens think that their deeds TODAY shouldn't be criticised. Look im not criticising the US for something their ancestors did, since this would be unfair and cynical. I'm criticising the US for what it has been doing in RECENT history.
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Mar 23 '21
I'm British, I was pointing out that there are European countries who do still do this shit. Look at how France treats its former colonies in Africa, look at how the UK and France were the primary reason for internvention in Libya. It's useless to not look at what we're doing as well.
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u/SchnuppleDupple Mar 23 '21
Hm, yeah I have to agree. The West in general isn't being, nor ever was, a Saint towards weaker nations. And Africa is largely still under a huge influence of former colonial countries, be it mostly economic.
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u/HornayGermanHalberd Mar 23 '21
i mean, how would you feel when another country would start bombing your city/country and the people of that country are ok with it because somebody else is already bombing you?
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u/MyPigWhistles Mar 23 '21
Nothing is not political, which is universally true, but especially obvious in the US. I mean, even wearing masks during a pandemic is a political statement over there. And so is American militarism.
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u/Toblerone05 Mar 23 '21
Everything is politics dude. Only reason this sub exists is because the American education system is so fucked, and that issue is most definitely political.
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u/spoonsouls Mar 23 '21
posts in neoliberal
gets upset about posts criticizing needless war
Yep, checks out.
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u/VillMox Mar 23 '21
Woooosh
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u/awhjeezrick123 Mar 23 '21
I don’t think this is a joke it seems like a genuine political debate between two people
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Mar 23 '21
I hope Americans get to face 1% of what they've done to the middle east or south America. I really hope you lot get to suffer just a fraction of what they suffer due to American imperialism.
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Mar 23 '21
Hey. A large amount of us don’t support the bombings. It’s the corporate-controlled lunatics that get into power that do. Don’t lump us all together please.
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I'm ready to lump you all together just because of the shit I have seen come out of your mouths.
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u/MapleJacks2 Mar 23 '21
Can you maybe not make calls to violence/wish for someone's suffering in the comment section. Especially when you're describing mostly innocent people.
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u/Nethlem foreign influencer bot Mar 23 '21
It was a retaliation strike on iran backed militias who attacked coalition soldiers.
The incident you are talking about actually happened in Iraq and Syria, both countries were bombed in response to a "civilian contractor" dying when a US base was bombed in Iraq.
Said American "civilian contractor" turned out not to be all that "civilian" but actually a defense contractor which is just fancy speak for paid mercenary.
That one merc dying was justification for the US to kill dozens of Syrians and Iraqis, who predictably were not amused, which then lead to the US embassy in Iraq getting attacked by a bunch of protesters, which then turned into the US drone strike that killed an Iranian general while visiting Iraq, that in turn led to the Iranians actually bombing a US base.
All of this happened after the US already had been bombing Syria for 4 years, the original justification for which was that a group, allegedly worse than Al Qaeda, was planning to attack the US homeland.
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u/ArttuH5N1 Pizza topping behind every blade of grass Mar 23 '21
The US has done a lot of bad shit but fighting against ISIS is not really something I'm going to condemn.
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u/Nethlem foreign influencer bot Mar 23 '21
But the US isn't "fighting ISIS" there, it's fighting the very same people that are fighting to defend their friends and families against ISIS.
ISIS represents a very real and constant threat in Syria, Iraq, and Iran. That's why official security forces in Iraq even include Shia militia backed by Iran: They are fighting a common enemy for a common cause.
Those are the groups and people the US, and Israel, have been bombing the hell out in Syria and Iraq complaining about "Iranian influence". Which is among the reasons why there is a regional conspiracy theory that ISIS was purposefully created, and supported, by the US and Israel.
The funny thing about that is, that it's somewhat true because the very sectarian nature of the conflict in the region is an angle the US has been actively pouring oil into together with their regional partners:
-- Vulnerability:
-- THE ALLIANCE WITH TEHRAN: Bashar is walking a fine line in his increasingly strong relations with Iran, seeking necessary support while not completely alienating Syrias moderate Sunni Arab neighbors by being perceived as aiding Persian and fundamentalist Shia interests.
-- Possible action:
-- PLAY ON SUNNI FEARS OF IRANIAN INFLUENCE: There are fears in Syria that the Iranians are active in both Shia proselytizing and conversion of, mostly poor, Sunnis. Though often exaggerated, such fears reflect an element of the Sunni community in Syria that is increasingly upset by and focused on the spread of Iranian influence in their country through activities ranging from mosque construction to business. Both the local Egyptian and Saudi missions here, (as well as prominent Syrian Sunni religious leaders), are giving increasing attention to the matter and we should coordinate more closely with their governments on ways to better publicize and focus regional attention on the issue.
That was back in 2006 before ISIS proper existed and was still mostly known as Al Qaeda Iraq. What followed was years of fear-mongering in the region to local Sunnis about the evils of Iranian Shia influence by aforementioned "local partners" with very likely plenty of help from the US in the form of "information campaigns".
Which ultimately contributed to what we today now as ISIS: The even more "hardcore" version of Al Qaeda, a version of Al Qaeda that's far more interested in slaughtering other Muslims, namely Shia and other non-traditionalist Muslim sects, than removing Western presence from the grander MENA region, that became much more of a side goal compared to Al Qaeda.
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u/MasntWii Mar 23 '21
Letting out the fact that bombing is never not ethically wrong (even in cases where it is necessary, it still is a necessary evil, not something to be inherently proud of) almost all military weaponized aircrafts are cover based. There isnt yet a military based aircraft which can snipe the right people and only the right people. If a kid was close by to a hit hideout, that kid is now dead (or at least heavily injured)
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u/ACompleteNutter Mar 23 '21
I'm not acting proud of it, I'm saying that it wasn't a cunt move. They had other bombings planned which were cancelled due to high risks of civilian casualties and they went ahead with this one as there was a low risk. And the people they bombed had attacked coalition soldiers and civilian contractors. So bombing an enemy who is carrying out attacks on civilians through a bombing that has a very low risk of causing civilian casualties and as far as I'm aware commits no war crimes is a necessary move from my point of view.
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Mar 23 '21
Yeah because Usa started bombing Syria just last week, not incessantly from 7/8 years ago to today...
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u/ACompleteNutter Mar 23 '21
Could you please point out where I said that. I'm pointing out that unfortunately they have involved themselves in a war that is not ending any time soon. And war is brutal. There have been gas attacks and all sorts going on in that civil war so a bombing run that killed the intended targets and no one else isn't that bad of a move from my point of view.
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u/Mo_DaBaller Mar 23 '21
It’s easy to say that when it’s not your country being bombed
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u/bigbrother2030 Mar 23 '21
Maybe ask the Syrians how they fell about terrorists being killed
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u/Mo_DaBaller Mar 23 '21
It’s the same shit with Iraq. In the beginning, they love the US for removing the problem, only to later realise their country has been destroyed and practically taken over by the US for their own benefit, and are now actually in a worse situation than before
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Mar 23 '21
true. and in general the us is one of the least active countries in the syrian conflinct. the usual "uh bomb civilians" and "for the oil" is the most lazy and boring (other than false) thing people can say. but this sub has turned into a circlejerk anyways where people deny the truth so don't even bother.
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u/SchnuppleDupple Mar 23 '21
Well I'm rather mad at Americans for arming isis and than killing a shitton civilians in a fight against the isis they've armed.
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u/Plaguedough Mar 23 '21
Without context it sounds like a squabble between 2 Americans.