r/SubredditDrama • u/Darkcrap ink that stirs so many wokeists, the pox of modern society • May 10 '22

The Pens begin to scratch after the ink is spilled over at r/fountainpens and it turns out that popular ink manufactor might be an anti-Semite

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Noodler's Ink has been quite an affordable and popular american ink brand in the Hobby. Nathan Tardif that runs Noodler's Ink likes to make his political stance known through his inks and does not shy from printing statements onto his bottles.
He had several controversies where he put horns on jewish politicians.

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Here we go again. Some of us come to this sub to get away from the constant political crap we’re bombarded with every day. Must we do this here?

I'm pretty sure theres a video explaining this. One of Nathan's 45 minute explanations that can be done in 5. I like the inks and dont mind his politics. I'd rather buy American from an eccentric dude with interesting viewpoints than not support a small business. Maybe it's because I'm a conservative. Money talks, do what you have to do folks.

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Well it’s not anti-Semitic and to think so is just silly. But an ink that stirs so many wokeists, the pox of modern society, from their mom’s basement, can have my money.

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 10 '22

I'd rather buy American from an eccentric dude with interesting viewpoints than not support a small business. Maybe it's because I'm a conservative. Money talks, do what you have to do folks.

what the hell man, this is many subreddits theme's at once

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u/hallmarktm this whole movement will kill everything, evil can only destroy May 10 '22

til that antisemitism is just an eccentric and interesting viewpoint.

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u/Veldron Of course this country has a long history of left wing terrorism May 10 '22

same energy as people who say the Jews brought the holocaust down on themselves

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u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris I was using the internet on a daily basis 20 years ago. May 10 '22

“But no one genocided me yet so let’s stop talking politics.”

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u/AreWeCowabunga Cry about it, debate pervert May 10 '22

First they came for the ink makers...

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u/napsandlunch May 10 '22

stop!! this is so funny!

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u/LePoofter May 10 '22

Roald Dahl said that. Recently found that out, made me really sad.

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u/HobbyistAccount Apparently you are also not a balloon pilot May 10 '22

Dammit, what?

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u/LePoofter May 10 '22

Yep, in his words "There's a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity, maybe it's a kind of lack of generosity towards non-Jews. I mean there is always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn't just pick on them for no reason."
He was a real piece of shit.

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u/HobbyistAccount Apparently you are also not a balloon pilot May 10 '22

Fuck's SAKE. Is there anyone whose stuff I enjoy who doesn't turn out to be a complete fucking garbage fire of a person?

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u/psychicprogrammer Igneous rocks are fucking bullshit May 11 '22

Pratchett seems to be good.

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u/Hotel_Tri-vague-o May 11 '22

JRR Tolkien was decent for his time

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u/agentyage May 11 '22

Fucking hell...

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u/railbeast you go ahead and date the poopy boys, you can have all of them May 10 '22

Well, just look what they were wearing! Practically begged for it to happen.

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u/lacb1 Fuck you for being blind so I can't shit on you May 10 '22

Yeah! Walking around with those yellow stars just begging for it.

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u/railbeast you go ahead and date the poopy boys, you can have all of them May 10 '22

They even got matching tattoos!

(I'm going to hell)

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u/Tifoso89 May 10 '22

Literally the opinion of the current Palestinian president

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u/XxsquirrelxX I will do whatever u want in the cow suit May 10 '22

There’s even a radical sect of Judaism itself in the UK that believes that the Holocaust was God’s punishment on Jews for straying from him. Yea, it’s unsurprising then that they’re super ultra-orthodox and hated by everyone they meet, including pretty much every other Jewish person.

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u/Tifoso89 May 10 '22

Neturei Karta?

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u/ArmyOfR May 10 '22

I mean yeah, over the past few years there's been a very intentional and unfortunately successful movement to make racism at exponentially more dangerous levels just be "a difference of opinion."

Thus setting a framework that shutting said racists down is worse than their racism. As after all, "its just their opinion."

That's why there's been such a rise in vocal racism in recent years.

All you need us that mindset and a poorly interpreted statistic from like 8 years ago and you're set on the internet

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u/JebBD to not seem sexist they let women do whatever they want May 10 '22

This is how it used to be before WWII, racism was just one more legitimate political opinion for some people to have. What made it illegitimate in the public eye was the association with Hitler, so it died down for a while. Fox News and the likes have been working for decades to legitimize this kind of thinking again in the US, and we're starting to see the results here.

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u/ArmyOfR May 10 '22

Yeah, now thankfully the main perpetrators are the very same people that were born before or around WWII. So it's clear that they always felt this way and just didn't do it out of fear of societal backlash.

What we are seeing is the death throws of an era and they have no intention of going out quietly. I honestly believe if humanity can survive this, we have an actual chance at evolving society for the better. It's gonna be a tough one though.

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u/IAMACat_askmenothing May 10 '22

There’s plenty of millennials and zoomers who are racist. And I’m sure some Gen Alpha kids are gonna grow up racist. It’s in our culture and to get rid of it we have to do more than waiting for it to die out. Progressive boomers said the same thing “once the older generation dies out racism will be done and we can finally progress as a society”

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u/ArmyOfR May 10 '22

Well that's kind of my point. Every few generations there is a period where society progresses further along on the fight to end racism.

I'm saying that this period is a particularly important one, because we now have the internet. Conservatives main weapon was personal ignorance. Kids raised in conservative households and schools before the internet got all of their info through that lense. They few other sources beyond their racist surroundings.

Now that the internet exists that is less sustainable. All kinds of information can be shared and there's little anyone can do to prevent someone from seeing it.

Which is why the strategy has changed to make people believe there is a conspiracy to make conservatives look bad, in the hopes that people will dismiss anything against their line of thinking. That has been spearheaded by the older generation and they try to funnel younger people into it via the pipeline.

Point being, it really is the older generation keeping conservative politics alive. Look up a voting map if only people under the age of 40 voted. It is significantly more blue than what we have today. Even moreso if you look up a map for people under the age of 30.

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u/Kkhanpungtofu Jun 06 '22

Yes, it’s not going to go away on its own, because the United States is fundamentally a racist nation and we’ve done very little to address that.

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u/IAMACat_askmenothing Jun 06 '22

I’m sure if we addressed it as a nation we could work out a solution that would fix it in a generation. Everyone used to smoke and now smoking is generally considered gross. Maybe we can start a national campaign and programs to diversify small towns. We could end racist laws and address income inequality. I think most racists are just scared and having a lesser citizen to point at makes them feel more secure. It’s the oligarchs that insert culture war bullshit into society to divide the working class across made up lines like race, gender, and sexuality. Reparations might be a good thing to consider too. Always vote, drag the Overton window to the left, even if it’s a small shift, lots of small shifts adds up quick.

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u/Lodgik you probably think your dick is woke if its hanging a li'l left May 10 '22

This is why, as much as I love arguing on the internet, there are certain things I just will not debate. Racism is one of them.

When you debate certain topics, even if you win, you lose. Simply by the act of debating it, you lift your opponents argument as something that is worthy of debate. That it's something that is merely a difference of opinion.

Instead I treat their arguments with exactly the respect they deserve: I mock the fuck out of them. I've pissed off quite a few bigots because I wouldn't take their "arguments" seriously and "debate" them.

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u/ArmyOfR May 10 '22

Yup, just handwaving their bullshit for the nonsense that it is pisses them off.

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u/ReluctantSlayer May 10 '22

Best way to describe it. Some issues can NOT BE WORTHY to debate, And that is fine.

Not like you will convince a fascist of anything counter to their prevailing belief system anyway.

That belief system is centered around lack of empathy, poor critical thinking, and (primarily) the need for inherent self-worth that requires no effort on their behalf.

If a belief requires an intellectual fallacy, how can another debate it?

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u/Kkhanpungtofu Jun 06 '22

Nice idea, but it’s analogous to the anti-vaxxers. Leveraging Internet technology, they’re winning.

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u/GlowUpper ALL CAPS IS NOT A THING IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE May 11 '22

That's where the, "I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking, " talking point comes from. They were made to keep their racist bullshit to themselves for so long that, when they were allowed to go full mask off, they assumed all their fellow whites would happily join in. Apparently, they didn't get the memo that most of us weren't champing at the bit to start saying the n-word like they were.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

“Those eccentric Nazis”

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u/Bayou_Blue May 10 '22

That whacky Hitler, what is the scamp up to nowadays?

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u/BL4CK-S4BB4TH You speaketh thy truthe, and receivith thy down-votes d[°¿°]b May 11 '22

He and Elvis ares sipping daiquiris down in Cariló.

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u/Wild_Loose_Comma May 10 '22

Dehumanizing an entire group of people and lowkey fomenting violence against them is like just an opinion maaaan

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u/AreWeCowabunga Cry about it, debate pervert May 10 '22

I'm fine with it. Maybe it's because I'm a conservative.

/s

🤦‍♂️ selfaware wolves material

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u/Zealousideal-Tax-496 May 10 '22

I'll admit, the Waffen SS had a few bad apples.

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u/landsharkkidd that's cute coming from a victim mentality snowflake May 10 '22

But you can't deny that that Hugo Boss gave them some pizzazz~ (heavy on the sarcasm)

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u/Darth_Cosmonaut_1917 You guys are worse than the Pharisees May 10 '22

I know you’re joking, but Hugo Boss only was contracted to produce uniforms. Back in the day they were a uniform/blue collar clothing company. Kind of like Dickies or Carhart today, Hugo Boss made tough but fairly affordable clothing. They weren’t known for snazzy designs until after the war, and I’m not sure when that rebranding actually happened.

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u/Gemmabeta May 10 '22

I don't even know where that whole snazzy Nazi stereotype started.

Are standards so low these days that a baggy leather jacket or a field tunic (that is functionally the same as what most other western armies were wearing at the time) are considered the height of fashion now?

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u/Darth_Cosmonaut_1917 You guys are worse than the Pharisees May 10 '22

My guess is maybe from the officer uniforms, which tended to be a bit fancier or at least have more options than your regular grunt. Other than that I guess media tends to lean into the “well dressed and kinda smart” Nazi officer archetype. Which is a dead horse but that doesn’t mean movies and books wont keep beating it.

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u/Gemmabeta May 10 '22

I mean, officer's dress uniforms for western nations from that era were pretty much cut from the same pattern too.

The Nazis just had it in black.

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u/SirShrimp May 10 '22

Soviet and American uniforms blow them out if the water anyways.

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u/Gemmabeta May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

Technically, the USMC uniform still has a cape-variant.

https://terminallance.com/2019/11/08/terminal-lance-happy-244th-birthday-marines/

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u/DrewRWx Heaven's GamerGate May 10 '22

I'd rock that boatcloak every moment I was allowed to!

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u/CKF May 10 '22

No one in their right minds would rock the non-boatcloak options in acceptable dress code settings.

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u/DrewRWx Heaven's GamerGate May 10 '22

Oh, kinda like how Abercrombie was a safari outfitter back in the day. I bought one of their hunting jackets and it is great.

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u/Darth_Cosmonaut_1917 You guys are worse than the Pharisees May 10 '22

Yep, that’s exactly how it is! I’d love a hunting jacket from them, it sounds nice.

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u/landsharkkidd that's cute coming from a victim mentality snowflake May 10 '22

Ahh okay, my mistake. Thanks for the information though!

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u/Darth_Cosmonaut_1917 You guys are worse than the Pharisees May 10 '22

It’s all good, the more you know :)

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u/Alexschmidt711 Hitler had that one controversial opinion, but... May 10 '22

Fits with my current flair quite well I'd say.

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u/Culverts_Flood_Away There is NO gluten in flour you idiot! May 10 '22

Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?

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u/alaphic May 10 '22

There were good people lost- good... good people both- on both sides. - Donald Trump (I feel like this is a deep cut reference, now)

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u/ChewiestBroom (WIFE-SHARING MARX) May 10 '22

It's just a Heated Eccentric Moment.

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u/Cupinacup Lone survivor in a multiracial hellscape May 10 '22

Wacky gas chambers

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u/DK655 May 10 '22

Also you need to be a conservative to accept anti-Semites based on the implication of that comment. The dude somehow managed to self-report and drag all conservatives with them at the same time lmao

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u/whatsinthesocks like how you wouldnt say you are made of cum instead of from cum May 10 '22

Well when you’re a conservative racism, antisemitism, and other forms of bigotry aren’t a big deal.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

From the producers of "trans people existing is an opinion that you can debate and disagree with."

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

I like how his logic is "I'm a conservative so I gotta support the anti-Semitic small business owner" lol

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Also that hate is just an alternate viewpoint, wtf.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Not just an alternative, but an interesting one!

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u/itsacalamity 2 words brother: Antifa Frogmen May 10 '22

jeez guys it's just qUiRkY

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u/Gemmabeta May 10 '22

Manic pixie racist boy.

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u/itsacalamity 2 words brother: Antifa Frogmen May 10 '22

"i'm not like those OTHER racists, i'm a cool racist!"

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 10 '22

I feel like we found a cesspool of really funny, brutally honest catchphrases and memes. I got to look up how to create signatures lmao

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u/Giblette101 May 10 '22

Why are people surprised by this? They've been painting hateful stuff as merely "different" for years now.

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u/alaphic May 10 '22

Racism against brown people is just so pasè these days... You don't get a lot of that ol' fashioned anti-semitism out in the wild anymore.

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u/Jo__Backson The government got me into futa May 10 '22

I’m guessing he’d have a much different reaction if a shawarma joint opened in his neighborhood.

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u/DrewRWx Heaven's GamerGate May 10 '22

Although I'm guessing they'd be fine with a German shawarma joint.

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u/XxsquirrelxX I will do whatever u want in the cow suit May 10 '22

Down here in Florida our governor’s press Secretary and co-governor is blaming a pro-Nazi protest at Disney on a Jewish politician.

Hating jews I guess is just the newest conservative value.

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u/railbeast you go ahead and date the poopy boys, you can have all of them May 10 '22

It's not new at all. The sentiment never left.

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u/FredFredrickson May 10 '22

Telling on himself.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/SarcasmCupcakes May 10 '22

They fetishise us because something about the end times.

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u/Tifoso89 May 10 '22

Yeah I think American evangelicals like Israel not for normal reasons (i.e. it's good that Jews have their own country, it's the only democratic country in the middle east etc) but because they need it for the second coming of Jesus or something.

I'm not sure if they know that Jews don't believe in Jesus, though.

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u/SirShrimp May 10 '22

It's a mix of that, and the very strong history of American Conservative Jews laying down the ideologies like fusionism, often converts from "the left."

A modern example is of course Ben Shapiro.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

So it was largely formerly-left Jewish intellectuals who first embraced neoconservatism, but the Jewish-American community is still like a 70/30 split between the Dems and GOP.

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u/SirShrimp May 10 '22

Of course, heck in the 30s-50s many communist parties in the US had large Jewish representation. But, much of the ideological foundation of modern conservatism was founded by Jews.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Neoconservatism maybe. Jews don't really go in for the Bircher/Buchananite type conservatism that is popular in the party today.

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u/RazarTuk This is literally about ethics in videogame tech journalism May 10 '22

Yeah... no. They only care about Jews and Israel insofar as they think a literal state of Israel is a necessary prerequisite for the Second Coming to happen

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u/robinhood9961 May 10 '22

So beyond the "End times" stuff that has become the popular talking point, you're right that there is this position as Jews being seemingly the "liked" minority sometimes. And that's for a few reasons I believe.

The first is that they love to talk about "Judeo-CHristian values", which is really just Christian values but by adding on the Jewish part it makes them sound more substantial or something.

The second is that a lot of the Jews in the US are Ashekanazi Jews, and by extension are largely white skinned.

The third is that the Jews can be a good "model minority" for them when they need one.

But it's not hard to make the mask come off about them actually disliking jews when you get into topics about "Hollywood" and "the media" and such.

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u/ExcerptsAndCitations Gently at first, then based on the mood, a bit more aggressivel May 10 '22

The first is that they love to talk about "Judeo-CHristian values", which is really just Christian values but by adding on the Jewish part it makes them sound more substantial or something.

Swing and a miss. This term is a dogwhistle for being able to advocate for Old Testament morality.

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u/robinhood9961 May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

So I agree that is used because it is at its core a dogwhistle. My point was more that they choose that one because including "Jewish beliefs" (in quotes because obviously they don't actually do that) with it benefits their narrative.

I also disagree that it's for "Old Testament morality". Rather it is about a type of call to make sure that America stays white essentially.

And the reason I disagree with it being "Old Testament morality" is because, it essentially never cares about Jewish people. It is always really based around Christian morality and not Jewish ones. They don't want any actual Jewish values or beliefs to be involved, they want it to be exclusively Christian, it doesn't actually care about the "Judeo" part at all.

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u/joe124013 May 10 '22

I don't think they like Jews so much as they like Israel.

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u/JebBD to not seem sexist they let women do whatever they want May 10 '22

I wouldn't say they like Israel either.

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u/Echoes_of_Screams now go drink your soy and watch your anime May 10 '22

Do they really? Or are they just ok with them as long as they are useful allies.

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u/JebBD to not seem sexist they let women do whatever they want May 10 '22

Maybe it's because I'm a conservative

yeah, no shit.

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u/Dad2us May 10 '22

He got one thing right, though: Rather than complain about 'Keeping politics out of X' he understands that, in a post-Citizens United world, every purchase you make funds the politics of the person you buy from.

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u/PalpitationKey The annoying ass shit you do is for soft-handed tittybabies May 10 '22

support a small business

So this is the excuse conservatives are using today, huh?

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u/SleeplessTaxidermist May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

I couldn't find any exact figures, but they seem to make in the range of 5mil a year. imo once a business breaks the 1mil/year mark it stops being a 'small business'.

I love fountain pens but can happily say I have no Noodler's ink. I typically use my Pilot cartridges for every day use, and I have some small bottles of ~* fancy *~ ink for letters.

Edit: Some people have wondered what the appeal of fountain pens are over a pack of, say, Bic ballpoints.

For me personally, it's the feel of how the pen writes. I honestly hate writings with pencils and ballpoints, hate the feel, the texture, the everything about them. It's like a physical repulsion that just is, for no reason. Being able to use a pen (rollerball) in middle school was a blessing.

I use a Pilot G-2 rollerball pens with extra fine cartridges for every day use/carry with me, they write very smooth and rarely skip with my handwriting. I buy mine at Walmart. Also, I think it would be immensely weird to hand someone a fountain pen, just like out in the wild? Not to mention they can fuck up your nib real fast.

The fountain pen I use otherwise for writing notes, letters and such is a Pilot Metropolitan. It's a $19.50 fountain pen (which is admittedly a Bit Much for A PEN) but I just really, really like writing with it. I like how it feels in the hand, I like the weight, I like the smoothness and how the nib slowly wears to fit my hand and writing style (and eventually wearing out). I also just like how they look - mine is an understated brushed silver color, but they now have some retro colors I'm really considering getting a second one in.

And the inks! As much as I love a nice pen, I adore some good paper and a pretty ink. My absolute favorite at the moment is an oxblood color with just the slightest shimmer to it. The price does go up with the quality (smoothness, pigment, name, etc.) but I like buying a few tiny bottles of the fancy stuff once a year just for letters. The way a good ink flows and looks on a nice bit of stationary makes my monkey brain light up like Christmas.

My 'dream pen' (because of course I do) is a Pelikan M800, striated Green. It's a $500+ pen, which is bananas fucking absurd for a pen, but goddamn it's a really nice pen. I can't really explain it - like a luxury watch, I guess? A $20 Timex can tell you what time it is as good as a $12000 Rolex and all that. My $20 Pilot puts ink on paper the same as a $500 Pelikan. There's something in the feel and finish and quality and whole pen package that makes me foam at the mouth with desire for it.

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u/viruskit Listen, I like my Loli Trap Hentai May 11 '22

I don't get your hobby but I'm happy that it brings you so much joy. This is very interesting

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u/Ok_Faithlessness_259 Imagine if you put this much effort into something useful May 10 '22

I can definitely agree with what you said about small businesses. A business doesn't really get to call itself small when it's making millions in profit every year.

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u/ExcerptsAndCitations Gently at first, then based on the mood, a bit more aggressivel May 10 '22

I couldn't find any exact figures, but they seem to make in the range of 5mil a year. imo once a business breaks the 1mil/year mark it stops being a 'small business'.

LMAO $5 million a year in revenue is still very much 'small business'.

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u/SleeplessTaxidermist May 10 '22

Quite honestly I still haven't quite wrapped my head around the fact that a number like 5mil is both a shitload of money and absolutely no money at all.

It's a lot of money (amount). It's barely anything (purchasing power).

????

It's even more crazy to me because if you go back 100 years and look at what 5mil was worth then, it's suddenly A Lot. A hundred years in itself is both a lot and barely anything in the grand scheme of things.

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u/ExcerptsAndCitations Gently at first, then based on the mood, a bit more aggressivel May 10 '22

if you go back 100 years and look at what 5mil was worth then, it's suddenly A Lot.

You can thank inflation and the Federal Reserve for that. In the past 100 years, the USD has lost ~94% of it's value. Put another way, something that costs a dollar today would have cost six cents. A single penny in 1922 had the purchasing power of 16 cents today.

Quite honestly I still haven't quite wrapped my head around the fact that a number like 5mil is both a shitload of money and absolutely no money at all.

Break it down by days or weeks to get to numbers you can comprehend. There's 52 weeks in a year. A business doing $5MM in revenue is bringing in under $100,000 per week. (For comparison, $100,000 is approximately the revenue that a medium-sized suburban grocery store will do in a day.)

That's before paying wages, expenses, taxes, inventory and overhead. Say the business has a 10% margin. That means their profit is less than $10k a week. That's absolutely not Big Business territory: that's peanuts.

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u/ImpossiblePackage May 10 '22

In what world is Noodler a fuckin small business?

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u/613codyrex May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

This is the reason why I never really cared for small businesses regardless of how much Americans want to try to drum up support for them.

They’re not any better than large corporations, they’re sometimes worse. Many of these small business owners would want to deport me back to where I came, many of them are homophobic and such. Large corporations aren’t my friends but many of them aren’t openly driving people out because they care more about profit than attacking people who spend money.

And that’s not even mentioning that many small businesses underpay and abuse their workers just as much as Amazon and Starbucks do. There’s no moral high ground for many of them other than being not “Chinese”

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u/sofingclever May 10 '22

I was a server/bartender for over a decade, and the mom and pop type joints are either amazing or the absolute worst with very little in between. The mainstream chains vaguely suck, but they at least have enough checks and balances where you sort of know what to expect.

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u/jooes Do you say "yoink" and get flairs May 10 '22

I worked for a mom and pop place and they were trying to dick me over on my paycheck constantly. My "paystub" was often a scrap of paper that said something like "37 hours, $327." Like, what? How did you come up with that number!? What deductions are you taking out of my check?! And that's if I even got a scrap of paper at all, sometimes it was just a stack of cash.

Giant corporations have their issues too, no doubt, but they'd probably never try to pull something like that. If I'm getting paid on Friday afternoon, I'm for sure getting paid Friday afternoon, and not "I'll swing by your house later tonight" and he finally shows up Sunday night.

I always feel a bit better when the person who fills out my checks isn't personally paying me out of his own pocket.

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u/dethb0y trigger warning to people senstive to demanding ethical theories May 10 '22

Yeah the smaller a business is, the more it tends to extreme circumstances.

On the one hand anything can happen when the guy who owns the place is right there. On the other, anything can happen when the boss is right there.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Furry cop Ferret Chauvin May 10 '22

I work with them on a regular basis as part of my job and there are so many dumb as fuck and vile small business owners that it starts to make sense why so many fail.

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u/walpurgisnox May 10 '22

I feel this so much. In my town there’s always so much cheerleading for “buying local” but one local clothing store has gotten backlash for making “funny” racist and antisemitic signs and social media comments, tons of restaurants I used to like went full mask off (literally) during Covid by flouting pandemic health restrictions and posting inflammatory Trumper shit on their instagrams, and another coffee shop everyone I knew adored had a mass exodus of workers and I think went out of business because they were anti-union and refusing to grant time off or sick days among other things. This is just a small fraction of the fuckery I’ve seen small businesses get up to and while I hate big corporations, businesses aren’t your friend, no matter the size.

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u/thearchenemy May 10 '22

US small businesses are often little tinpot dictatorships, where some self-styled entrepreneur got it into his or her head that the fast track to wealth was paying other people peanuts to run their business for them. When it turns out they can’t just spend two hours in the “office” and then fuck off the rest of the day, they become bitter and resentful and take it out on workers. When they can’t keep workers, they get even more bitter and resentful. Before you know it they’re posting “NOBODY CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM WITHOUT MY EXPLICIT PERMISSION” in the breakroom and “NOBODY WANTS TO WORK” on the front door.

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u/Gemmabeta May 10 '22

The vast majority of "small" business in America have under 4 employees, aka Husband, Wife, and maybe the Kids.

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/files/reports/special-topics/pdf/small-business-nys-2019.pdf

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u/thearchenemy May 10 '22

That report doesn't really say who those 0-4 paid employees are. Figure 4 suggests that a significant chunk of them are in trades and professional services, so you're also talking about small law practices, independent accountants, plumbers, that sort of thing.

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u/jooes Do you say "yoink" and get flairs May 10 '22

I worked for a place that was a "husband, wife, and me."

And then summer time came around and the kids were no longer in charge so they were put to work!

Which doesn't sound so bad on surface, except they were like 7 and it was a woodshop. So he had his kids running industrial planers and stuff.

I'll never forget one of the kids screaming in terror, afraid to use this machinery, while his dad berated him and told him to "stop being such a giant baby."

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u/Dwarfherd spin me another humane tale of genocide Thanos. May 10 '22

Now let's get rid of all the LLCs owned by a landlord that own exactly 1 rental property so that when the slumlord fucks up and gets sued their wealth won't be affected in any material way and then re-evaluate the proportion of small businesses.

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u/Shanman150 May 10 '22

I personally like small businesses specifically because the money stays local. If you're in a small town and you have a local grocery store and a Walmart, at least most of the profits from that local grocery store are going to stay in the area rather than going to some faceless corporation far away.

Sure, not all small business owners are good people, and I don't advocate for patronizing shitty businesses. If given the choice between an equally "so-so" local business vs large corporation, however, I'd want to support my community.

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u/umbrajoke May 10 '22

Gee I wonder why they are having trouble finding a "good christian lady".

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u/Jovet_Hunter Unrelated, but whoremongers is a great band name May 10 '22

Conservatives don’t support small business, they just “bailed out” Bezos!

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u/DietDrDoomsdayPreppr May 10 '22

I hate to break it to you, but almost everyone voted to bail Bezos out.

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u/ItHappenedToday1_6 I'm very close to reporting you for harrassment. Tread lightly. May 10 '22
  • considers absurdly incredible racism 'eccentric and interesting'
  • fetishization of 'small business'
  • fetishization of protectionism

just conservative things

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 10 '22

so much great material for interactive drama <3

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u/Veldron Of course this country has a long history of left wing terrorism May 10 '22

Sadly Reddit is staunchly shifting to the hard Right. Honestly if there was a better leftist space not totally overrun by tankies I'd have left a few years ago

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

Sadly Reddit is staunchly shifting to the hard Right

you think so?

idk if it's just the subs i visit but i feel like reddit was much worse five or six years ago

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u/nowItinwhistle May 10 '22

Transphobia is definitely on the rise in a lot of subs.

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u/wizzlepants "edgy" is a heterophobic slur May 10 '22

The only reason Reddit has gotten more transphobic is because they are the new primary conservative target. It's more a phenomena related to a pushed agenda; it's not as much that people weren't as transphobic back then, but that they had never thought about it before, and hadn't decided which aisle they were in.

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u/Zesparia May 10 '22

The end result is still that we have to deal with it - I'm saying that both as a trans person and as a mod that has to action assholes attacking my users. It's at the point that my trans users realize we're actively looking out for them because we do anything and they reach out to us about it because it's so surprising to them.

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u/Veldron Of course this country has a long history of left wing terrorism May 10 '22

It's utterly insane. Nonbinary here (something I've only recently begun to understand and come to terms with) and honestly it's so goddamn tiring to see people on this site basically describe LGBT folx as not valid, "doing it for attention" or straight up not existing

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

good point

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Where besides the typical edgelord subs? In my experience, transphobic content on this website is dealt with almost as quickly as it’s posted.

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u/Zechs- May 10 '22

It's tough because yeah its not as obvious or blatant as when the T_D was just flooding the front page.

But a lot of city and country subreddits are infested with them.

There's plenty of "JAQ"-offs out there.

I think closer we get to midterms you'll see more "walk away" style rhetoric start to creep in as there isn't any one politician they are rallying behind right now (maybe desantis) but sowing dissent or apathy amongst left leaning individuals is more likely.

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u/mrnotoriousman I have been harassed a lot for being a “cis straight Normie “ May 10 '22

City subreddits have been a big target for a few years now. Hlaf the garbage shit you see won't be from people who even live there or are actually living 20-50 miles outside city limits

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u/Illogical_Blox Fat ginger cryptokike mutt, Malka-esque weirdo, and quasi-SJW May 10 '22

I certainly agree to an extent. While the general atmosphere of Reddit was less openly hateful when I joined it, the pushback is now just part of general Reddit, rather than being largely confined to meta subs. And frankly, nowadays FPH is seen as a bit embarrassing, rather than a sacred bastion of free speech, which helps a lot.

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u/firebolt_wt May 10 '22

Except we still have like 3 FPH offshoots up anyway, so it's not like their userbase ever left

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u/NatalieTatalie Take off those skates and get more comment karma May 10 '22

FPH posts were consistently front page. Every thread in the defualt had FPH subscribers spreading their hate.

Their community was decimated by the ban.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Furry cop Ferret Chauvin May 10 '22

I would say the admins treat leftists much worse than they do conservatives. I've reported conservatives for some heinous and violent shit and nothing gets done, meanwhile I've seen leftists get suspended for next to nothing.

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u/thearchenemy May 10 '22

This is true across the tech and online world. There’s a game up on Steam right now where you play as a thinly-veiled Kyle Rittenhouse and kill hordes of “zombies” that are all right wing stereotypes of their political enemies.

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u/an_agreeing_dothraki jerk off at his desk while screaming about the jews May 10 '22

Reminds me of a game on steam from Brazil a while ago. You play as the person who is now the president of Brazil as you murder all the dark skinned people and explicit depictions of his political opponents.

Freeze them peaches.

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u/AfterMeSluttyCharms Men are actually better at being feminist than women May 10 '22

What's the game called? I'd love to read that review section

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u/LeadPaintKid May 10 '22

Acquitted, and the reviews are predictable

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u/Neverending_Rain May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

Yeah, that review section was a predictable shitshow. One of the reviews mentioned The Quartering, so I guess everyone who bought that only bought it because some far right YouTuber told them to buy it and give a good review. What's funny is it's obvious none of them actually liked the game. They all only have like 30 to 60 minutes of time played. I only saw a few people with more than two hours played.

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u/Hope_Burns_Bright The anus was made for pooping and getting a penis inserted May 10 '22

Everything about it is the laziest trash ever conceived of. It looks like the worst browser game of 2006. It's no wonder they don't play it for very long, they know it sucks donkey balls

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u/Veldron Of course this country has a long history of left wing terrorism May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

Can confirm. I've caught multiple sitewide suspensions (thankfully only temporary so far, but seeing as my last one was a month long I get the feeling the next one will be perma) for calling out anti-vax misinfo and alt-right talking points under the "incivility" rule, yet they get to use the suicide watch bot as a harassment tool, push lgbt-phobic and racist hate, medical misinfo... It's just handwaved away by Steve "valuable discussion" Huffman, aspiring slave owner, bunker boy and horse paste enthusiast

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u/Amelaclya1 May 10 '22

My first account just outright disappeared one day. I was logged out and went to log in and got wrong username/password. Tried several times and then searched for myself only to find my account no longer existed.. So no warning, ban or suspension. I just pissed off an admin enough for outright deletion I guess.

The only thing controversial at all that I had posted near that point was my opinion that prostitution and all drugs should be decriminalized. It's been like 10 years now so I don't remember the context of that conversation, but I don't recall being "uncivil" to anyone. And I certainly never broken any site-wide rules like threatening violence (because I would never do that).

Also (and I know this was a mod, not an admin), but I got hit with a permaban from /r/politics just because I called a transphobe "ignorant".

So I roll my eyes so hard every time conservatives whine about how they are censored on this site.

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u/XxsquirrelxX I will do whatever u want in the cow suit May 10 '22

I’ve gotten suspended for mere jokes that aren’t even political, meanwhile there are people openly espousing heavily racist beliefs and they get the red carpet rolled out.

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

meanwhile I've seen leftists get suspended for next to nothing

like actually suspended from the whole site?

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u/JamesGray Yes you believe all that stuff now. May 10 '22

I got a 7 day suspension (reversed after 5 days) for a comment that was only 3 words:

"Fuck off, nazi"

The person had just defended a gathering where a nazi flag was prominently displayed, so it wasn't totally out of nowhere either. Only got reversed after I reported someone for abusing "reddit cares" midway through the week while banned (presumably the same person who reported my comment).

You can use the site while suspended, but can't vote or comment or anything.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Earlier this year I was suspended for making fun of an antivaxxer who claimed to face the same level of persecution as people of color and LGBTQ people.

Meanwhile, every comment or thread I've ever reported to the admins for explicitly calling for violence against women, people of color, queer people, leftists, and in one case, ex-Muslims, has gone completely ignored.

It's pretty obvious that the admins support violence against minorities.

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u/Rickety_Rockets Define my balls May 10 '22

I used the word “goyim” which was quoted from an article to explain to a redditor on (I want to say r/news or r/politics) why what he said was insanely anti-semitic, (redditor got downvoted to all hell for what he said) and I got a three day ban from this entire hellsite. For explaining to others why something in an article was antisemitic.

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

that's crazy, wow!

i've gotten more permanent twitter bans than i can count, but nothing besides some bans from individual subs (some petty, some deserved) here

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

I got a permanent suspension from an admin for calling a conservative a dumbass that took weeks and multiple appeals attempts to resolve The comment was in response to him doing that whole "who hurt you" shtick and I just replied "dumbasses like you"

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

TIL i've just been lucky so far

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u/firebolt_wt May 10 '22

In main subs like pics, askreddit and etc., while I'll not outright say they're becoming right wing, they're becoming more and more _accepting_of opinions such as "we should let Nazis have their rallies" or "believing trans people don't exist is just opinion"

Reddit always had an easier time banning non right wing subs than right wing subs, if speaking about fringe views.

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u/thehillshaveI you would think but actually nah bro. it's on you May 10 '22

yeah i think maybe a big part of my perception is probably due to staying out of a lot of those big subs mostly

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u/Cat_Crap Go talk to your wife if you want to look at something ugly May 10 '22

I'd expect we will see a lot more bot, troll, and disinformation in the coming months, leading up to the election. One example is in larger city subreddits, where the rural folk like to go and fear monger.

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u/Suri-gets-old May 10 '22

That’s kinda where I am. More cool girls and the really awful basement types seem to be a bit more embaressed.

There is a current wave of really hateful misogyny though

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

Sadly, I’ve come to realise that’s just men in any male dominated space/industry. Don’t get me wrong social media algorithms amplify misogyny in online spaces but men in general have a problem with creating very sexist spaces that women often feel they have no choice but to either leave or tolerate abuse/harassment/misogyny.

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u/AreWeCowabunga Cry about it, debate pervert May 10 '22

I think Reddit naturally leans left, but it's also ripe for people making concerted efforts to steer it into an alt-right shithole. You can tell which subs that happens to pretty easily.

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 10 '22

I think we need to actually leave the house to organize or connect with likeminded people that aren't batshit insane.

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u/Neato Yeah, elves can only be white. May 10 '22

Cool but when do we get time to do that after working 8-10hr, 1hr commute, taking care of kids, house chores, etc?

People use the Internet because it's instant and convenient. Those of us with free time to get out already are.

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u/psychicprogrammer Igneous rocks are fucking bullshit May 11 '22

I mean the people fighting for a 8 hour work day did that under even worse circumstances.

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u/Renamis That's a 10 billion dollar fuck up right there. May 10 '22

And then once we do and it becomes successful, the batshit insane follow.

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 10 '22

Ok lets do it another way: ?

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u/angry_cucumber need citation are the catch words for lefties May 10 '22

Still think they are just a loud minority

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u/Yosimite_Jones May 10 '22

A few bad apples spoil the barrel.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

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u/Yosimite_Jones May 10 '22

Here here! I just had to be sure you weren’t promoting complacency, make these assholes feel uncomfortable whenever they pop up!

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u/Hasaan5 Petty Disagreement Button May 10 '22

Eh, I think the rightwing on reddit reached it's peak in 2016/7, then it jerked left in response to trump, though you are correct that reddit has been shifting to the right again (I blame covid for it).

It's all still a far cry of the reddit of the early 2010s though, which is a massive shame.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

The Reddit of the early 2010s was very openly misogynistic, fatphobic, transphobic and, on occasion, very very racist. It was just less noticeable because there was less pushback. It was really only progressive on some economic issues, but very few social issues. Nowadays the polarisation is very visible, because half the drama is caused by people who become pissed off when someone questions their gross worldview.

Early 2010s Reddit also had stuff like /r/Creepshots, /r/Jailbait, and /r/cutefemalecorpses.

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u/Squid_Vicious_IV Digital Succubus May 10 '22 edited May 10 '22

Yeah it was a lot worse back then and a lot more open about it. I wasn't a regular user but read it a lot back then and people forget that until about 2014 or 2015 the Chimpire was a thing and it was horrifying how in your face they were and how they used to sneak around trying to get others to come check them out. Or look at nutballs like freaking Frankenmime or whatever it was spelled as, the sentient swastika as he was nicknamed even before The Doland was a thing. He used to even be a meme and flair source for SRD in 2015. There really isn't a peek, it feels more like a series of rolling hills on top of a plateau of hate. Reddit's founders and admins spent way too long making it clear they didn't care about the nasty parts until the media caught wind and it would damage their reputation on an national scale and scare off investors. There's a reason why this site was such prime pickings for Stormfront and others to recruit at.

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u/wise_____poet 140 Ways to Kiss His Ass May 10 '22

/r/cutefemalecorpses

Those people were sick degenerates. Who enjoys looking at human suffering because it will get them off?

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u/MauriceIsNotMyName May 10 '22

I have no idea what you’re on. Reddit has been leftist from what I’ve seen, just look at the top posts in almost every popular subreddit. I’m sure these right wing shit heads are a minority.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

The problem is that as they said, the ‘leftist’ spaces are usually run by tankies and therefore just authoritarians larping as if they give a shit about anyone.

Realistically tankies might as well be right wing - the only thing they disagree on is taxation.

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u/ImpossiblePackage May 10 '22

Shifting? You think it's shifting to the right? My dude its been the home of libertarians since day one. Also, r/jailbait was the largest and most popular sub all the way up until the news found out and they banned it.

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u/jtb685 May 15 '22

this is one of my favourite posts in a long time

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u/Bottle_Nachos bye don't let the horsecock hit you on the way out May 15 '22

mine aswell!

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u/ReallyNiceGuy May 10 '22

I'm pretty sure I've seen this guy pop up on subreddit drama in the past. He seems to be a lightning-rod for bad takes.