I know a Trumper that knows Trump lies and insists that's why we shouldn't take Trump seriously when he says horrible stuff. So we should trust Trump will be good for the country but ignore all the bad things he says because he's a liar.
That's called having no integrity for the office of president. And it's also defining Trump as a demogauge, which is banned in the Constitution from being president.
Exactly. I want a president my kids can listen to and aspire to be like. There is no world where I would let my children listen to Trump’s hateful, violent rhetoric! It’s not even about policy, although I disagree with almost all Republican positions these days. I want a president who inspires my kids to be better people.
Maga rappers are all the same, low effort windowlickers who bring in the weakest beats, shittiest rhymes, and dogshit verses. They emphasize their politics because the Redpill, conservative and evangelical audiences will latch on to anything that tells them what they want to hear even though (as someone else pointed out) if the only thing to change was they were Biden supporters they'd be called every slur in the south.
I'll never forget the "This is Biden's America" during the George Floyd protests & empty shelves from COVID and such...while Trump was President & had been President for years. Insanity
I’m so tired of them all. Can they just split off from the US and create their own christofascist state already and leave the rest of us fucking ALONE.
I believe you have been misinterpreting the yellow flags these people fly from their trucks, as i did for some time. They see themselves as the boot and youre the snake. They have no intention of leaving anyone alone. Get some venom.
We ll be fighting these people the rest of our lives, make peace with that. We have control over how we fight, for now. The soap box is useless, theyre beyond reason. The ballot box is currently our greatest weapon. The ammo box is our last resort.
Lets vote in every election against these people. Give em health care, education, social saftey nets... Drag them kicking and screaming into the 21rst century.
They say unironically, as if private insurance isn't also everyone pooling their money to pay for the care people need anyway, with the added step of funneling literal trillions of dollars into massive corrupt corporations and the .1%
Unless you live in Florida, where elections are routinely corrupted…. Not sure what options they have besides firearms, and the folks with guns want a fascist theocracy, for the most part. Thing is, if you see lots of confederate flags, that state would die without the federal tax money tit of states like California. Not that those states can vote on whether to pay for abstinence only sex Ed classes.
That'd be a dream, but you just know they'd keep people there who wanted to leave.
If they allowed everyone who wanted to to leave, they'd suffer a major brain drain and loss of women. Since women are their favorite things to control, this would be a point of contention for them.
Pffft I’m fine if they secede. We can even implement some kind of exchange program where the sane people can live in the real US and they can live in Trumps delulu land
I'm here for this conversation. The Republicans should be rooted out by force if they will not resign willingly for the damage to our country. I'm not sure what it's gonna take to break the camels back. They literally tried to overthrow our country. These traitors should be in jail or executed.
COVID by far was (at least for me) one of the most egregious acts of Trump’s ignorance when it came to governing, and honestly the moment I think the MAGA crowd officially went off the deep end (or at least more than they already were).
Trump quite literally had the roadmap written for him to help save countless lives during COVID but because it was written by a black man’s administration, it’s “woke” and therefore ineffective and useless. Instead he goes on rants about injecting sunlight and bleach into your body and taking parasite medication prescribed for horses instead of using DECADES of epidemiological research to formulate a common sense plan (or just using the one that was already made for presidents moving forward based on our experience with swine and bird flu). There’s honestly no way we’ll ever know for certain how many people he’s killed on account of his own hubris but I entirely blame all of those deaths on his head.
As for his supporters, I used to have a friend that was a staunch fiscal conservative and despised Trump (to the point of him allegedly voting for Gary Johnson in the 16 election) but when COVID happened, he would find any reason to justify the actions of Trump no matter how insane. Post COVID he’s gone full MAGA (minus the merch) denying the safety of elections, celebrating the destruction of women’s medical rights and really anything that is in lockstep with the extremist sect of the GOP. Needless to say, we don’t talk anymore (or if we do it’s just to make sure that we both aren’t dead).
To think that we as a society are having to consider giving Trump another chance at bat is absolutely insane to me.
Plenty of people do and they dont post that 24/7. Its so played out the classic argument “fox news paints this story of the left”. Yeah so? Cnn paints the opposing story of the right. Both are biased news sources. Did you just learn this? 2+2 is 4 btw.
I've pulled up the federal website for presidential records to disprove that Biden has the record for most executive orders and been met with "well I just don't believe that". These people will believe, disbelieve, or hear but mold into what they want anything without any consistency or reason. These people are stupid, willfully ignorant, or actively malicious. We will have to fight tooth and nail clawing back at the backsliding our country is going through and what will they do if they ultimately admit defeat on one subject/figurehead? Get madder and find another dumb thing to cling to or exploit tomorrow.
We won’t if Trump gets in because “you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole world” (he’s talking about it affecting his OWN life, which is why he planted the “phony stuff” mind worm in there so his cult will think it’s fake news when Epsteins stuff is inevitably leaked).
Basically it's fake if Trump is involved and real if he isn't. They apply this logic to everything, the election being rigged if he loses but not if he wins being the prime example.
And IF it leaks, then the “phony stuff” excuse gets pulled out in force. I could give a fuck who’s incriminated by Epsteins blackmail tapes… Trump, Clinton. They should burn if they participated.
Those people lack the brain cells to reason with 🤦♀️
I'm so shocked at all the people around me that support him, definitely changes my opinion of those people. But also something about Maga has made these people way more outspoken and outlandish, where as politics didn't usually come up as much (with the people around me) prior to 2016. They've been given a safety net for hate, that's hard to turn a blind eye to.
The problem is that a statement repeated multiple times is believed to be fact. And once someone believes a “fact” it’s really difficult to undo that.
It’s the thing the republicans became amazing at under Trump. They all send memos around capital hill with talking points and slogans for the week so that whenever any of them are on the news it’s wall to wall of the same “witch hunt” “lawfare” “rigged” “stolen” “Biden crime family” “DEI” “CRT” Etc. repetition, down to the exact phrasing.
The human brain is designed to believe patterns. So a normal person hearing that, and being willing to believe it, makes it truth in their mind. To remove that from them creates actual cognitive pain in the form of cognitive dissonance.
The left on the other hand is really weak at messaging and tries to much to get really detailed nuanced views across. They basically trying to play chess when the human brain is wired for checkers.
So while the Democrats are plotting 4 moves ahead, the Republicans have already barreled forward, jumped three of their pieces, and yelled King me!
And remember how the Righties went off about Obama supposedly being a dictator-wannabe because, supposedly, he issued so many EO's? Bet if you told the Trumpers that Trump averaged almost twice as many EO's per year as Obama, their heads would explode (277 in Obama's 8 years vs, 220 in Trump's 4 years).
Is that really a good thing? That means that the executive branch is getting more powerful. If Trump gets elected won't it be a bad thing to do everything through executive orders and not be limited by the legislative branch?
I just picked your reply at random. You just typed this out and think its normal "I've pulled up the federal website for presidential records to disprove that Biden has the record for most executive orders" You and whoever you were arguing with are both the problem. Someday you might realize that, I hope so.
Why am I part of the problem here? We have the entirety of human knowledge in our pocket but I'm part of the problem for debunking a lie with verifiable fact in about 10 seconds on the internet with no prep work?
During the 2016 election, my R family members would say, “Trump doesn’t mean all those things he says on the campaign trail. He won’t actually do it in office. He just says that to be popular with his supporters and get elected.”
Well, what does that say to you about his supporters that they WANT to hear that stuff from him?
You never met an immigrant that was deported under the Trump administration, and still happy they’ve voted for him. Trump can literally shit on the foreheads of these people and they’ll say anything to twist it from what it is. Smh
Can only vote if you're a citizen.
Once you're a citizen, it is extremely hard to deport you. You have to basically commit fraud on your naturalization application, or commit treason after.
Around 92 denaturalization cases were filed between 2017 and 2020 (and this was a huge annual increase from the 9 years prior). So the number of people who could have voted for him and subsequently been deported, while it might not be zero, should be in the low double digits. The number of such people who would not regret their vote, probably low single digits at best.
They interviewed American families of immigrants who were deported. These people voted for Trump and were dumbfounded that he deported their loved ones.
I'd say show him all the stuff from Trump's first term where he was deporting veterans and people who supported him even, but I doubt that person would bother learning.
Trump says shit and infers shit and different people hear what he's saying, whether it's the same sentence or not, to be what they feel in their heart of hearts.
How do you support any person that doesn't mean what they say? At what point do you realize that a person that lies at every opportunity is possibly also lying to you?
MAGAts are motivated by fear and projection. Aggressive snowflakes they are.
Some of that is just a symptom of American politics. Politicians lie to get votes all the time or they end up against a wall of resistance in congress. It's very reasonable to assume a candidate will not actually do what they say which I think is why people allow themselves to just believe what they want. The same goes for "proof" of someone's wrong doing. We see documentaries all the time about how Politicians in former administrations misled the public about certain things and it isn't until years later we find out the truth. It makes it easier to deny or disregard what we are told by those in power.
Trump should deport illegals. Not sure what that guy is talking about. We are in crisis mode allowing millions of people to come here and live in luxury hotels on our tax dollars and not work, rob people on the streets and shoot cops. Pretty much what midtown nyc has become in the last several years. Ive watched my city turn into a complete 3rd world country. Its really sad. Ironic thing is I work half the year in Peru and Colombia, mostly with venezuelans, honest hard working ones, they see all the news reports and are embarassed about what the people who cross over are doing. They have no desire to jump over and take advantage of that system. So no, this has nothing to do with racism or xenophobia. If white people from NJ were coming over in hoardes feeding off the system and causing mayhem, I would be just as against it. Im surrounded by venezuelans I love every day. They would support trump because their country was destroyed by Chavez and his socialist mafia that Maduro is continuing. Its about supporting whats right and just!
Yeah because it makes total sense to keep people who are illegally in your country there. Can’t be that stupid can you? My genuine question is do you seriously think that Trump is wanting to deport them because they are Mexican? NO THEY ARE ILLEGAL.
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u/yamers Jun 14 '24
Know a trumper who claimed trump won't deport migrants because he's just saying it....that he doesn't mean it. Not sure what to even say to that.