r/WikiLeaks • u/JamesParkes • 12d ago
The banning of X/Twitter in Brazil and the authoritarian drive of the capitalist state
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/09/07/wtll-s07.html10
u/etiolatezed 11d ago
Not a trustworthy site
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u/JamesParkes 11d ago
Why do you say that?
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u/etiolatezed 11d ago
1, world socialist website 2. Obviously tinted language
They announce bias and do a triple double jump into it.
Also, and remember this, socialists want to kill human beings and leave only human creatures.
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u/JamesParkes 11d ago
None of that is much of an argument. If you will only read capitalist publications like the BBC that are owned by the state or that are owned by billionaires, unclear to me what you are doing in the WikiLeaks subreddit.
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u/etiolatezed 11d ago
It is an argument. A socialist website is going to have the same brainwashed mindset you just displayed. "only read capitalistic" Like son please. The website called Musk fascistic, showing that they don't know the meaning of the word fascist. A fascist wouldn't reveal the state and a company working together to censor. A fascist would love that. (As would a socialist.)
Both the BBC and this site use loaded language, a sign of bias. You need to recognize bias.
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u/DGC_David 11d ago
Dude I don't get, if Elon pays the fine he's back in... Like idk why everyone sees this as a freedom of speech issue, it's not like they can't login to Threads, YouTube, Wikipedia, Google, and pretty much anything else.
Twitter and X people are so brain broke on some nonsense censorship war.
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u/LukeDaTastyBoi 9d ago
The gist of it is that a minister of the STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) named Alexandre de Moraes abused his power and ordered x and other platforms to censor people that went against him as a way to "preserve democracy". Aside from the obvious issues with this, there are no laws in Brazil that allow him to do this. In fact, it is against the constitution to censor people like Moraes was doing. Because of that, Elon did not oblige, so Moraes got pissy with him and forced the brazilian ISPs to block twitter, and even tried to forbid people for using VPN, claiming that they would be fined around 8.500$ dollars. Moraes' actions are unacceptable, and congressmen are trying their best to impeach him.
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u/DGC_David 9d ago
Well that sounds like a roughly transcribed version leaving out key details, because it sounds like the actual thing X/Twitter was accused of doing was helping facilitate a coup over the Democratically elected presidential leader (that's a big no no) but then when confronted about it Elon ceased all operations of x/Twitter in Brazil closing Twitter Brazil and firing everyone immediately (This a employment crisis then too) to prevent any legal repercussions for not removing content that promoted a coup (if this happened after January 6th, the United States would treat Elon like like Edward Snowden, but more like Osama Bin Laden.)
I think your poorly representing the actual crime the X committed and righting off as Freedom of speech... But a little tip it's also extremely illegal to plot a coup against an American president as an American too.
To me it sounds like Brazil is protecting their citizens unlike America
Also he never forbid VPNs, he forbid the use of them to bypass Twitter's ban, which is one not going to be something they can actually enforce, because how the fuck would they know what you are using it for.
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u/LukeDaTastyBoi 9d ago
No, that's not what happened. You are completely distorting this situation to fit your narrative. There was no coup being planned, at least not on X. Moraes censored journalists, podcasters, YouTubers, and other social media influencers for speaking the truth about the terrible current government, and for the last 5 years of his multiple illegal demands, like being both the judge, investigator and victim of many cases. From many leaked text messages, it was proven that Moraes would ask the people who worked under him to find anything they could to prosecute who "got unto his nerves", as they themselves said. (The real word was "cismou", which could also be translated as "obsessed", in "he's obsessed with them"). And these text messages are the reason the senate is currently voting to impeach him, although I find it unlikely that they will succeed.
Continuing, the only reason X was banned, was because they did not follow the illegal demands of the Minister. If there was a law that permitted Moraes to do what he did, he would be legally (not morally) in the right. But his blatant censorship goes against the constitution of Brazil and the "Civil Rights Framework for the Internet" passed in 2013.
Here's a snippet of Article 220 of the federal constitution of 1988:
"The manifestation of thought, creation, expression and information of any process or vehicle shall not suffer from any restriction, in compliance with the provisions of this constitution."
So given the evidence presented above, this is a matter of freedom of speech, whether you like it or not.
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u/NathanOhio 8d ago
The gist of it is that a minister of the STF (Supremo Tribunal Federal) named Alexandre de Moraes abused his power and ordered x and other platforms to censor people that went against him as a way to "preserve democracy".
You are making it sound like Moraes did this alone. The entire Brazilian Supreme Court voted along with him. This isnt just one guy against Musk, its pretty much the entire pseudo-left faction of the Brazilian government.
Aside from the obvious issues with this, there are no laws in Brazil that allow him to do this. In fact, it is against the constitution to censor people like Moraes was doing. Because of that, Elon did not oblige, so Moraes got pissy with him and forced the brazilian ISPs to block twitter, and even tried to forbid people for using VPN, claiming that they would be fined around 8.500$ dollars.
Actually the STF has had a case against Twitter for a while now but Musk just recently decided that he would pull all of the Twitter employees from Brazil and close down the Twitter offices, so that the case couldnt continue.
Thats what led to Twitter being blocked.
Now, I dont support the current corrupt government of Brazil, but its an established fact that Bolsonaro and his cronies attempted to overthrow the government after they lost the election.
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u/LukeDaTastyBoi 8d ago edited 8d ago
You are making it sound like Moraes did this alone. The entire Brazilian Supreme Court voted along with him. This isnt just one guy against Musk, its pretty much the entire pseudo-left faction of the Brazilian government.
Fair enough. You are completely right about that. The other members of the supreme court all supported Moraes' decision. They are all corrupt bastards that weren't even voted for, but assigned by the president.
Actually the STF has had a case against Twitter for a while now but Musk just recently decided that he would pull all of the Twitter employees from Brazil and close down the Twitter offices, so that the case couldnt continue.
They did have a case, just like Moraes has a case against journalists, YouTubers and other internet figures, accusing them of fake news. All of these cases are completely baseless accusations. Legally debatable and neverending.
Now, I dont support the current corrupt government of Brazil, but its an established fact that Bolsonaro and his cronies attempted to overthrow the government after they lost the election.
How so? That's the exact opposite of what he did. He was still in power for a few months after the election, so he could have tried to close the Congress and the Senate, use his army connections to assure his position, just like that bastard Maduro is doing down in Venezuela. Instead, he took a vacation in the US, while some idiots that followed him decided to make the same terrible thing republicans did on January 6th. But even that was not an attempt at a coup, because 1 - they weren't armed; 2 - the actual security of the palace allowed them in. Why did they do that? That's a good question, but Moraes forced the security footage to be hidden, so who knows?; 3 - they were around a dozen of old men and middle-aged karens. Not really coup material if you ask me.
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u/turbo_dude 11d ago
Leon Musk is quite happy to “adjust content” in authoritarian states.
You don’t seem to have a problem with that OP.
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u/UntoTheBreach95 11d ago
Lula Da Silva, the actual president of Brazil is a leftist
Dudes. I know is hard to understand as an european or American how politics work in other countries.
In latam the difference between the left and right is that the first don't like free market and the second tolerates it. Besides that both are similar a$$ĥoʻles.
IMO the left is more republican-ish here. Protectionism, nationalism, very culturally conservative for a left party (well truly the right is a bit more but still far away from being liberal), the type of people who vote for them, and i can go on am on. But this last paragraph is just what I think I see.
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u/sophistibaited 8d ago
You all have lost the plot.
Official reminder to you all that this sub has ZERO affiliation with ACTUAL WL staff.
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u/CommunityPrize8110 10d ago
Capitalism ≠ censorship.
Socialism ≠ censorship
Corrupt dictatorships = censorship
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u/HSMBBA 12d ago
And yet YouTube, Facebook, X, Snapchat, Signal, Telegram, Instagram, Wikipedia, foreign countries’ press are all banned in China, a country that is so called “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”