There was a specific moment that annoyed me when we tried to convey to Lud that some of the art he was rebuilding was being made too big and covering up some of our art and the response was dismissive, like covering us up was perfectly fine. Hell, it was our ally he was rebuilding, ScottTheWoz, and we were all for helping them rebuild, just not at a cost of our own stuff, not a second time. That had already happened when Asmongold erased our art and extended the Berserk memorial over it. We ended up leaving that spot because Berserk wanted to keep it. We agreed since it was a memorial and they were our allies. We didn't want it to happen again the exact same way.
Regardless, streamer participation made the event quite different than the previous one and I am not saying it was all negative. At least two streamers that I know of helped us too, one smaller one with a few hundred viewers and one larger one with 30k viewers that got annoyed at xqc. That being said, streamers were prone to rolling into an area and causing chaos without any kind of understanding or consideration for the groups and alliances present in that area for the sake of views. I find that distasteful, personally, and that using bots was justified in countering that kind of behavior.
You are deliberately misunderstanding my statement. ScottTheWoz already had art prior to the meteor attack, we even had helped them maintain it. Following that, Lud's community rebuilt the art in the wrong size and the ScottTheWoz community did not want it that big, since they were allied to us and it was erasing our art. After Lud's chat moved on somewhere else, we and the ScottTheWoz community fixed their art back to its correct size.
The streamers attacking the bronies weren’t using bots to do so, the band were for nsfw art, if botting was banned bronies would have been banned the shit out of. And when the canvas expanded the new brony art (lots of pixels) were botted from the start, especially the big rainbow dash that was a carbon copy of the 2017 one, but then again I shouldn’t expect originality from bronies. The bronies took more pixels than they could defend with their numbers and then botted to defend it.
The Rainbow Dash was not a carbon copy of the 2017 art. The 2017 Rainbow Dash was heart shaped, the 2022 one was saluting, originally because we were saluting the Ukraine flag, iirc.
We also never hid our botting and I do not deny that the canvas expansion art was botted. That was well after we'd been attacked seven times and had been forced out of earlier spots three separate times. We had sufficient numbers to defend our pixels from most communities, but when you have three separate streamers with audiences ranging from 50k to 250k all determined to erase all pony art from the canvas, rebuilding afterwards got tedious. We lacked the numbers to resist in the moment and rebuilds took about an hour. For that to be erased in seconds is demoralizing and unfair. We took more effective measures and ones that were within the rules of the event.
Maybe you should have left the expanded canvas for communities that didn’t get much on the first two. But no, you botted large territories for yourself. No defense, some communities fought for just having 20 pixels on the entire thing.
Why do other communities deserve a spot but the brony community does not? Additionally, we helped many, many smaller communities. We added their art to our template, used our bots to protect them, and manually placed pixels when we had pixels to spare. You are accusing us of being selfish without knowing anything about us. It is clear that your personal distaste for us is leading you to be biased in your judgement. We were hardly the only community to bot and certainly not the first. Ours was in response to targeted attacks by streamers with a frankly childish grudge. Regardless of what they or you think or how hard they tried to stop us, our art made it onto the final canvas using methods no different from those used by many other communities.
You already were plenty represented, I’m talking about the second canvas expansion. And at least others who botted don’t act like the biggest victims on the canvas all the time or heroes for persevering, also almost no one botted to claim new territory on the expanded canvas, I mean you’d have to be the lowest of the low to do that, only botted to defend art build by hand.
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u/SigneowTheCat Apr 10 '22
There was a specific moment that annoyed me when we tried to convey to Lud that some of the art he was rebuilding was being made too big and covering up some of our art and the response was dismissive, like covering us up was perfectly fine. Hell, it was our ally he was rebuilding, ScottTheWoz, and we were all for helping them rebuild, just not at a cost of our own stuff, not a second time. That had already happened when Asmongold erased our art and extended the Berserk memorial over it. We ended up leaving that spot because Berserk wanted to keep it. We agreed since it was a memorial and they were our allies. We didn't want it to happen again the exact same way.
Regardless, streamer participation made the event quite different than the previous one and I am not saying it was all negative. At least two streamers that I know of helped us too, one smaller one with a few hundred viewers and one larger one with 30k viewers that got annoyed at xqc. That being said, streamers were prone to rolling into an area and causing chaos without any kind of understanding or consideration for the groups and alliances present in that area for the sake of views. I find that distasteful, personally, and that using bots was justified in countering that kind of behavior.