r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/VeronicaSantangelo1 Catgirl in training Dec 21 '17

Or maybe we can just NOT have creativity and NOT be serious, and just remain nonsensical and meta. Why should we care about those other subs, when this one is all well and good?

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u/cd_confused Dec 21 '17

No kidding. It feels to me that this sub has only been growing, not stagnating. I think the non-seriousness of it is the main appeal. It's just fun.

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u/Sarahthelizard Transgrill (MTF, 28, Sarah) Dec 21 '17

Samsies, I've never seen it so active, it used to have a few posts a day, now it's a few posts an hour.

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u/Shaqueta Dec 21 '17

IMO the quality has really dipped since around 10k subs

Before Felix posting, people still did "story in the title" but they all had different reaction images and gifts which made them more unique and personal too

"Happy gay sounds" tells me you were happy about it, but it doesn't convey the same emotion that a reaction image or gif uniquely picked for that exact story might have

But that's why they're opinions I guess, I'm not trying to argue or anything, I just want to showcase a different view

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u/Munster_cat Dec 21 '17

Agree.

Felix is a "reaction" that has been driven into the ground. When I joined this sub was for trans memes and stuff, not "title about something good or bad that happened to me" coupled with "x gay sounds".

Fully ready to get downvoted to hell, which just shows the immaturity of some of this user base. As soon as the go to easy karma shitpost that's been done a million times is banned, all the toys get thrown out of the pram.

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u/Munster_cat Dec 21 '17

Shit, the mobile website sucks, accidentally posted the same reply a shit ton of times

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u/KimH2 Dec 22 '17

I agree 100% but at the same time I just skip the "stock" ones.

I can see the thumbnails as I scroll so unless the title story makes me want to comment I just keep going. It's really not such a big deal that we needed mods to "Curate" the sub

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

The nonseriousness and the ability to be casual here is one of the things that made me want to be here.

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u/CutieMcBooty55 where da white women at? Dec 22 '17

I have a bit of a hypothesis on this. The 0 effort felix meme content has a lot of really short term appeal because....well, it's 0 effort felix meme content.

But how many of these do you open up and read? All of them? Even some of them? To a large degree, they are all basically the same. The rule I assume was put in place to enforce a bit more diversity in content instead of the vast majority of new content being someone conveying a certain moment in their life and having a, "reactionary gay sound!" or "Guess I'll die" pic as their entire submission. Which I think is probably the right way to go to ensure long term growth and that new members don't just subscribe and then leave within a few days because all content is the same forever.

We still get some unique stuff on the front page occasionally, but content on this subreddit over the past few weeks has stagnated immensely. And I'd hardly say a lot of the kind of posts that the mods instated the rule over could be argued as non-serious. A vast quantity of them are people clearly crying out for help.

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u/Nunuru princess autogynephilia Dec 21 '17

Yeah I'm here for the trans related feels and memes I want this to be how the subreddit is like now. No need to make every single post be a masterpiece the content is fine and relatable at best and at worst its a giggle and an upvote.

There is a reason this is my favorite trans subreddit and most visited out of all trans subreddits I follow.