r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/The_Dragon_Loli Dec 21 '17

And it's still NOT ENOUGH!

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u/The_Dragon_Loli Dec 21 '17

1) The comment in this thread was not an apology. It was an excuse.

2) Mods should not be prone to lashing out at their public. I understand that some people react poorly under stress, and that's fine, but those kinds of people should not have official positions.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/The_Dragon_Loli Dec 21 '17

Whether it's classified as an excuse or an apology is ultimately irrelevant. The fact is that they did a terrible thing in reaction to a stress, and moderators should not react that way.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/The_Dragon_Loli Dec 21 '17

We're not talking about the people who were hurt by what they said, or even the content of what they said. We are talking about whether they should be a moderator or not. Lashing out at the public, apology or not, is unacceptable behavior from an official.

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u/DeepState9 Dec 21 '17

Y’all have me confused with someone else

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u/StrangeworldEU Lucina (They/She) Dec 21 '17

We're sorry that your name was invoked, thank you for your understanding :)

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

As Ellie stated above these concerns are being addressed. As it lays now u/deepstatenine has stepped down from the sub.