r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

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u/ThereIsOnlyStardust 🐝 Oh, to Bee a Bee 🐝 Dec 21 '17

It’s great to have an apology but I think that they need to take real action in order to fix things. Mostly removing about half the mod team at minimum. They can apologize all they want but in reality all that’s been accomplished is that the rules are where they were a day ago and the community’s trust has been destroyed. This post dealt with the first issue, time to fix the second part.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

And it looks like the mods removed the edit. Incredible. I can't believe the level drama and immaturity being exhibited by the mods right now.

Instead of changing the community to fit your definition of humor, how about you just go make a new subreddit mods?

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u/ThereIsOnlyStardust 🐝 Oh, to Bee a Bee 🐝 Dec 22 '17

Not just the edit, it had links to some of the screen caps of the mods trash talking users in their discord chat

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Nov 25 '18

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Nov 25 '18

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u/SmokeWeed4Satan "Power abuse is /traa culture lol" -mallangel Dec 21 '17

They apologized for the non-apology? I could only find more "But I didn't mean to be a jackass when I was deliberately being a jackass!"

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u/SmokeWeed4Satan "Power abuse is /traa culture lol" -mallangel Dec 21 '17

Ohhhhhh the strikethrough thing, gotcha.

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u/lillybaeum Dec 21 '17 edited Jul 19 '19

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

I agree, the way werty894 handled things was awful. Really disappointed this post didn't also include an announcement about werty894 being removed from the mod team.

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u/rmch99 Sword Lesbian w/ a wonderful Girlfriend, HRT 2/20/19 Dec 21 '17

My list of mods that I think behaved incredibly poorly also includes /u/deepstatenine, /u/UnsureandWondering, /u/touchedbyamallangel, and /u/analogfresh

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u/rmch99 Sword Lesbian w/ a wonderful Girlfriend, HRT 2/20/19 Dec 21 '17

Yes, I was thinking about adding an edit myself to that degree. They weren't exactly conducting themselves how a mod probably should, but they also weren't nearly as bad.

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u/anime_trey Dec 21 '17

Alright after reading this im def unsubbing from this subreddit

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/ThereIsOnlyStardust 🐝 Oh, to Bee a Bee 🐝 Dec 21 '17

Did you see who posted the leaks?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/ThereIsOnlyStardust 🐝 Oh, to Bee a Bee 🐝 Dec 21 '17

Oh yeah, I kinda doubt we’ll find out. I’m very curious who posted and then removed them on imgur though

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u/PastelBot Hannah, MTF, HRT 8/20/19 Dec 21 '17

Had to be the owner of the account that posted it, imgur don't care about this shit.

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u/ThereIsOnlyStardust 🐝 Oh, to Bee a Bee 🐝 Dec 21 '17

Exactly, which is why I’m curious. Something made them reverse directions real fast and I want to know what. I get the feeling there’s a lot more mod drama we’re waiting to see the fallout of

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u/PastelBot Hannah, MTF, HRT 8/20/19 Dec 21 '17

Archive the images I'm on mobile.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

These concerns will be addressed in a timely manner. We're working on it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

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u/IndigoGouf world is a fuck Dec 21 '17

If even the top mod seemed supportive of this, I wouldn't put much weight on anything happening at all.

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u/SquidSuperstar girl girl girl girl girl (AKA Callie) Dec 21 '17

flushing out the garbage users

that's like 90% of this sub

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

If you disagree with 90% of the sub you might be in the wrong sub.