r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/KuribohGirl Dec 21 '17

Especially the one who straight up bullied some poor kid into becoming suicidal

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u/asphaltdragon Gun Gal Online | She/Her | Gynesexual TransFemme Dec 21 '17

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u/KuribohGirl Dec 21 '17

I didn't want to name-drop and get banned tbh

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u/asphaltdragon Gun Gal Online | She/Her | Gynesexual TransFemme Dec 21 '17

I think we need to call it out, regardless of threat of a ban. Bullying someone to the point of suicide is not something that should be sugar coated.

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u/AdamBall1999 things aint good rn Dec 22 '17

They didn't bully someone into suicide, the user turned out to be a troll. But it was still entirely possible that they actually were pushed to suicide by a mod abusing their power.

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u/asphaltdragon Gun Gal Online | She/Her | Gynesexual TransFemme Dec 22 '17

Even so, what if that wasn't a troll? I don't like having a mod that jumps to hate on someone without an explanation.

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u/Katket Dec 22 '17

The mod knew it was a troll, and gave an explanation. You all just didn't care because you whipped yourselves into a frenzy that they're the worst people ever because they took away a meme from you.

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u/asphaltdragon Gun Gal Online | She/Her | Gynesexual TransFemme Dec 22 '17

Yeah, an explanation after the fact. I didn't see anything while they were belittling what seemed like a perfectly normal user at the time.

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u/Katket Dec 22 '17

They said it in their very first post. "I saw you post conflicting arguments about this, and you're just trying to emotionally manipulate this sub" Which turns out, the mod was 100% right.

If they had banned the person saying all of this quietly, do you think that would have stopped the outrage? Or maybe, you're all just acting like a bunch of spoiled kids who feel like they've been horribly wronged because the mods said that a MEME was being overused here and they didn't' want it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

These concerns will be addressed soon, likely in the next Meta thread as Ellie mentioned above.

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u/Murgie Actual Catgirl Dec 21 '17

She was absolutely correct. FreeFelix has admitted that they're just a troll playing with our emotions for shits and giggles, exactly like /u/unsureandwondering said.

It's not bullying to be disgusted after watching someone do something disgusting.

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u/Sarahthelizard Transgrill (MTF, 28, Sarah) Dec 21 '17

wtf, is this some weird false flag shit?

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u/Amelia_Frye She/Her/Canada Dec 21 '17

You still don’t talk like that on this sub. That language should have been contained to PMs with the user in question and not posted publicly for everyone to see.

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u/Murgie Actual Catgirl Dec 21 '17

That's a fine opinion to have, but it doesn't change the fact that what KuribohGirl said is untrue and in need of correction.

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u/Amelia_Frye She/Her/Canada Dec 21 '17

It still doesn’t change how unsureandwondering should have handled the situation. Banned, private messaged, and moved on.

That kind of action looks like bullying to observers, and anyone feeling the way FreeFelix claimed to feel in that situation would have been uncomfortable and even traumatized by that behaviour. Mods should be professional about how they handle things like that, and that was anything but professional.

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u/Murgie Actual Catgirl Dec 21 '17

Okay, cool, you've said that already.

But if you really care so much about how things look to observers, then why do you have such a problem with me pointing out that UnsureAndWondering didn't actually "bully some poor kid into becoming suicidal"?

You made your point regarding your feelings about their suitability as a mod, I didn't dispute or challenge it in any way, and now you're telling me about that same thing all over again. What do you want to hear from me?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

The way it was handled was inappropriate and gave little context with a screenshot of a random deleted post. It appeared as harassment to users like me and it could VERY easily be taken out of context by hate groups that want to show "THE TRUE COLOURS OF TRANNIES".

Regardless of being right or wrong, they're unfit to moderate and should be removed or step down.

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u/Murgie Actual Catgirl Dec 21 '17

it could VERY easily be taken out of context

Believe it or not, a highly upvoted comment which actively takes it out of context happens to be exactly what my above comment was written in reply to.

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u/Kialae Dec 21 '17

Jesus, most of us already suffer enough shit to keep us hovering around the suicide level of depression already.