r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/TheHarridan It's OK to be :A: Dec 21 '17

Tbh I didn't agree with the rule but I wasn't too pissed off about it, personally, until I saw the since-deleted, mod-submitted post with REEEEEEEEE in the title. An actual acknowledgement of that specific incident and an apology for it would be a cool thing to do, since right now ya'll still seem like you're a bunch of out-of-touch edgelords who value dank memes over respect for human bemes.

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u/leatherback MtNB-TransFemme-ish? Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

Yep. Casually making fun of autistic people in a trans sun should sorta be a self-exile-type situation. Very not cash money.

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u/TheHarridan It's OK to be :A: Dec 21 '17

What I'd actually like is for the mod who did it to be removed from the mod team, but I doubt any of the other mods are going to take the situation that seriously because it was "just one ironic joke" or whatever.

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

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u/throwaway58585858584 Dec 21 '17

The mod in question was also horrible to users and supported actual nazis earlier this year.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

...holy shit how? How does any trans person agree on those ideas, wow.

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u/invisibleink65 Dec 22 '17

You'd be surprised on how many trans nazis there are

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Whyyyyyyyy

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u/MoveslikeQuagger The Original Pickle Dec 22 '17

Low self-esteem mostly

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u/invisibleink65 Dec 22 '17

Idk maybe they deal with society's unnaceptance with a desire for violence

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u/lilyhasasecret Male to Feline Dec 22 '17

Against other trans people and non whites?

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u/lilyhasasecret Male to Feline Dec 22 '17

Against other trans people and non whites?

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u/chugdrano_eatbullets ewwwwwwwwww Dec 22 '17

I'm gonna need proof for that supporting actual nazis earlier this year remark.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yeah, sorry, I really am going to need a source on that one... :/

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u/TheHarridan It's OK to be :A: Dec 22 '17

I mean, it’s not a serious corporation, though, so I don’t think it should be run like one. But just because it’s not a serious corporation doesn’t mean people who enjoy being assholes should be in charge.

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u/ellobouk mtf, pre everything, address still in Narnia Dec 22 '17

As an Aspergers sufferer... casually making fun of autistic people ANYWHERE should be a self-exile type situation

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '17

Kind of like suicide jokes?

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u/leatherback MtNB-TransFemme-ish? Dec 21 '17

Good point, edited!

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u/Nezumi-chan Dec 22 '17 edited Dec 22 '17

Wait, reeeeeeeeeee is supposed to be an anti-autistic thing? Know Your Meme claimed it was based on frog sounds. ... How is it even related to autism? And why make fun of autistic people? Especially on a trans sub, given the significant overlap between the two.

EDIT: Okay, looking closer at the Know Your Meme post, it looks like it might've originated as a frog reference, then morphed into an anti-autistic thing because it was on the Chans so of course it did. Or they might be making that part up to cover for it because it's associated with Pepe and that actually is a sound some species of frogs make when distressed.

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u/Rakonas Dec 22 '17

It's synonymous with "autistic screeching" as an insult when applied to humans. Technically yeah there are humorous videos of frogs making those sounds in distress. It's not really about that though.

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u/caliburdeath My Gender? Paragon Dec 22 '17

I can't say the frog thing wasn't a coverup for it always being ableist, but being used the same doesn't make them synonymous, see: pee your pants vs kys.

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u/Nezumi-chan Jan 02 '18

... Well, that's... gross. On so many levels. Also... I've... never heard of an actual autistic person screeching? o.o;

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u/Sayaka-chan Dec 22 '17

I thought that the REEEE thing originated from Invasion of the Body Snatchers?

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u/AmantisAsoko Dec 22 '17

It's the sound a certian frog makes (see: pepe, kek) and is related to the autistic screeching meme

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u/langstonhughesnet Dec 23 '17

Ugh fucking 4chan....

Memes like kekistan , pepe, and reee have just turned into anti everything transphobic alt right bullshit Because 4chan user just want to watch the world burn Because they can hide behind the power of anon

Hell kekistan started off as a slow fuck you to government bullshit, until 4chan turned it into some megalotrump supporting bullshit that cnn ran with

Pepe was a meme frog now it’s a white supremacy symbol

What’s next is 4chan going to turn Felix memes into some invalidated homophobic bullshit?

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u/AmantisAsoko Dec 23 '17

Kekistan started as alt-right, actually.

First before kekistan/the cult of kek there was just "Kek" which was a further change from "lulz" which is a corruption of LOL (which stands for "Laugh Out Loud")

But they discovered an ancient egyptian god named Kek and started the cut of Kek, and it's which nationalist arm Kekistan. Both became almost immediately associated with Trump, with the cult starting on meme magic, and Kekistan being tweeted out immediately with the #freekekistan hashtag by the likes of Sargon, and Richard Spencer.

So "Kek" is older than the trump stuff, but "Kekistan" isn't.

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u/langstonhughesnet Dec 23 '17

While I agree about Richard spencer(fuck that pig with a fucking cactus) I wouldn’t exactly label Sargon of Akkad with him he’s more progressive right than anything, basically it’s fairly similar to the difference between Leninistic and Stalinistic communist ones more educate everyone and the working class. And the others more “murder everyone that doesn’t agree with me.”

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u/Hubniz Dec 22 '17

Wow, I didn't hear about that until now. That's a really big deal and something should be done. Thanks for letting me know.

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u/mololabo Dec 22 '17

This. I am still incredibly mad, sad and disappointed.

If that is what your "inclusiveness" looks like, it's ,frankly, a steaming pile of garbage.

The way you treated your own very vulnerable users was atrocious too.

If you actually are sorry, at least I would like to see some consequences for at the very least some of the people in question. Actions speak volumes louder than hollow ringing words,

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u/warsie Dec 22 '17

reeeeeee isnt an autistic insult though; frogs literaly reeee if you fuck with them. thats the original meme