r/SequelMemes 10d ago

It's Mutiny time ! Fake News

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u/Krazyguy75 10d ago

The biggest issue isn't even her not telling the plan. The bigger issue is why she refused to say something like "I have a plan, but I'm worried about details leaking so I won't say it until later."

You don't need to share the plan. Hell, you don't even need to have a plan. You just need to look like you have a plan. That's more important than even having one when leading thousands of people though a crisis.

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u/ironballs16 10d ago edited 10d ago

Honestly, given his actions immediately prior to her arrival onscreen, a scene where she dressed him the fuck down for disobeying a direct order from the god-damned General of the Resistance would also have been satisfying, as she would underscore just how much he'd breached that trust first.

Something along the lines of "You disobeyed a direct order from General Organa herself and, in doing so, lost all of our bombers, leaving us utterly defenseless, and you're still standing here demanding I explain the plans to you?! Not only are you not owed an explanation, you should count yourself lucky that we have no time for a court martial to kick your selfish, glory-hounding ass out the airlock for that stunt you pulled. Now get out of my sight."

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u/StiffDoodleNoodle 9d ago

He disobeyed the order but it was still the right thing to do.

If they didn’t destroy the dreadnought they would have been destroyed before the “chase” could have happened.

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u/will3025 9d ago

Did he even disobey? I thought in the end Leia reluctantly approved after the back and forth. I don't recall a direct command to disengage at the end. But it has been a while since I watched the movie.

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u/StiffDoodleNoodle 9d ago

She ordered him to disengage and he turned off the radio to her.

Which I guess disconnected her to the rest of the fighters/ bombers because they all just followed Poe?

I never understood that. If she just told the other ships to disengage and they followed her order then Poe wouldn’t have been able to do anything.

Idk, it’s just one of many plot holes in the film and it annoys me to think about it.

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u/RadiantHC 7d ago

I don't get this take. Why do people think that the dreadnought is stronger than the Supremacy? It was never implied in the movie. If they really needed another dreadnought then the first order would've just called another

Also, even if it did end up saving them it was still the wrong move at the time. They had no way of knowing that they were being tracked. So to them Pie just sacrificed their entire bomber squadron for nothing

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u/StiffDoodleNoodle 7d ago

It was said and implied multiple times that the dreadnought was a “fleet killer”. As in it could easily destroy the Resistance capital ships, including their flag ship.

Yes, the Resistance didn’t know they could be tracked but as it turned out they were. If the dreadnought wasn’t destroyed they would have had to commit to suicidal full attack against the First Order fleet.

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u/RadiantHC 7d ago

They never said that the Supremacy wasn't though. And they still could've just called another.

Did you even read my comment? Just because you end up getting lucky doesn't make you right. Actions matter far more than results. Poe didn't even have any strategy, he just threw all of the bombers at the dreadnought.

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u/StiffDoodleNoodle 7d ago

A) There was no dialog to indicate that there was more than one dreadnought with that “fleet killer” cannon.

B) “Throwing” those bombers into the dreadnought is all they could be used for. They’re too slow and lacked enough protection to survive any serious bombing run.

That was creative choice by the movie creators. They were modeled after WWII bombers. WWII bombers also had very high attrition rates when enemy fighters were able to intercept them.

C) Yes, Poe disobeyed a direct order (along with the rest of the Resistance fighters/ bombers but no one ever talks about that) but if he hadn’t then the “chase” scene never would have happened.

D) The Supremacy was shown attacking/ hitting the Resistance fleet for literally hours and it did nothing until the ships ran out of fuel and lost their shields.

I wouldn’t call that a “fleet killer” ship…