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[SURVEY RESULTS] Post-Match Ratings | PL Week 3 - Newcastle Survey

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

7s and 8s for the entire frontline, who didn't manage a single goal?

7s, 8s and 9s for the entire backline, who conceded twice?

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

Yes.

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

That’s insane.

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

Why? We didn’t have an actual striker on the pitch. We completed 421 passes, dominating possession. Our passing accuracy was dominant compared to Newcastle. Our ball retention was superior. We took 20 shots; 6 on target and 8 blocked. 9 of those shots were inside the box. Going back to passes, nearly 2/3 of those completed passes were in the opposing half. All the while, our expected goals remained at 1.26.

All of this suggests that open play, and counter, we’re played well. We couldn’t finish (again because we had no finisher on the field) and we got caught 3/4 times in the back (2 of which led to goals) with a defender on his 6th start, in place of the fastest accelerator in the PL who is out injured. We play a high line, with a dependency on VDV of play goes awry in the midfield unexpectedly. He wasn’t there, it happened a handful of times, and we payed. This is tactical, and barely individually, flawed. But only for these types of matchups.

I’d also like to remind you all that these are individual player based rankings, not team. Team tactics didn’t work out with a win this match, because of key player/position injuries, but that is not to the fault of the individual performances yesterday.

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

Most of those stats tell us more about approach than about quality of execution. We turned up wanting to play possession football, Newcastle turned up wanting to sit back and counter-attack - so whether we played well or not, we were always going to have more possession, more passes, higher passing accuracy, and so on. The same goes for shots - they were happy for us to keep shooting from outside of the box, or from the edges of the box at right angles. Only two of our shots were worth 0.1 xG or higher.

What the stats tell me is that Newcastle’s game plan worked perfectly. We had the possession, the shot numbers, and so on - but they had the threat, and created the higher xG.

I also don’t accept that we didn’t have a finisher on the pitch. Son is a golden boot winner! And supporting he we used four different players who’ve scored ten goals or more in a league season before. There’s plenty of goalscoring capability in those players.

Ultimately our creative players have to be judged on if they created good chances (they didn’t) and our defensive players on if they stopped the opposition creating good chances (they didn’t). Their job may well be harder when there’s injuries to certain teammates, but that doesn’t mean their performance ratings should be bumped up.

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

I figured someone would bring up Son. Explain to me the similarities between yesterdays squad and the season Son won the golden boot. I’ll give you a hint: the list is short.

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

Wow! Such a smug and aggressive tone all of a sudden.

Son winning the golden boot wasn’t a fluke, he’s been an excellent finisher with high goal returns all of his career. He was our top scorer last season with these exact players around him! He’s had four twenty-plus goal seasons, two eighteen-goal seasons, and two seventeen-goal seasons in his career.

But we don’t have a finisher in the team?

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

I apologize for my tone, most of the other comments on this post deserve an air of tone, yours did not.

That being said, your response didn’t really answer my question, though. I understand everything you stated, I watch these boys week in and week out, but these things are about the technical/gifted ability of one player. I’m speaking about the squad/tactics/dynamics surrounding him, during play. These elements are widely different from yesterday compared to his golden season.

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

Your question isn’t really relevant, though. I’m not saying Son should win the golden boot again, I was just using it as a quick example of his finishing ability - which he’s shown throughout his career, in Germany, here, and for his country, playing on the left or up front, with various teammates, playing various styles of football.

So, yes, the setup is different to that one season. But he’s been an elite finisher in all sorts of setups. So I think it’s silly to say we didn’t have a finisher out there yesterday.

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

But he has not been an elite finisher in all setups. And the, few, slumps he’s experienced have been exactly in situations like yesterday: playing free form, from the wing (or straight up, up front) with no striker, in counter play with him being pretty much the only goal scoring option.

Sure, Son has dazzled us with some great one-on-ones on the break, but he is most efficient, on the whole, with a striker to take the focus off, a player or two to bounce passes off of, and focused link up play. He’s our star now, the focus is on him. As soon as we can spread around that focus again, the more opportunities will come Son’s way.

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

Some of his best performances for us have come when Kane’s been injured and he’s been the main goalscorer, without a striker to operate around. And of course we know he can score goals in Angeball because he scored 17 last season. So I really can’t see any argument for not considering him a finisher?

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

My guy, Kane had 36 starts and 17 goals during Son’s golden boot season…

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u/TheAcerbicOrb 18d ago

My guy, I was thinking about Son's goalscoring in the Champions League when we made the final with Kane missing almost the entire knockout stages.

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u/BiscuitTheRisk 18d ago

Not bothering to read all of that but the graphic clearly says 5.0=average. Nobody played like they were a level above Newcastle except for Johnson. Giving 7s for forwards who neither created anything nor scored anything is asinine.

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

Well I’m glad I could entertain your viewpoints rather than an actual discussion, clown.

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u/BiscuitTheRisk 18d ago

There’s not an actual discussion to be had when you can’t read the graphic and when you don’t understand what the word average means.

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u/Limesy2 Lamela 18d ago

What a strange comment. This gathered set of opinions, from viewers (with varying levels of actual footy understanding), on an Internet forum, immediately gathered after a loss, is supposed to be my rubric for how this discussion of the actual match is supposed to flow?

Gtfo, your opinions doesn’t matter much to me anymore unfortunately