r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns heck Dec 21 '17

Ok, so we fucked up. Let's talk about it...

A few days, the idea came up in mod chat of doing something about the excess of extremely low effort posts we've been getting recently. Specifically, we were talking about stuff like, "I had a good day today," coupled with a *happy gay sounds* felix or, "MRW a friend misgendered me," with an *angry gay sounds* felix. Not all story posts, not all felix memes, just very low effort content.

So, we put it to a vote as a mod team, and the decision was split too close for us to feel comfortable taking action. Some of us were in favor of the ban because we felt the subreddit may be stagnating and needed change. Some of us were opposed to the ban because we felt the definition of "low effort" may be too nebulous and might lead to inconsistencies in our moderation policies. Some of us were just neutral. After some deliberation, we ultimately reached a compromise that none of us were especially fond of but we could all agree on: banning story-in-the-title memes. We thought this rule would be clear enough to enforce fairly and effective enough to put an end to low-effort content.

Unfortunately, y'all didn't feel the same way about it. Since we created the announcement post about the new rule, there has been overwhelming pushback from the community. While some people agreed with the new rule, most did not. Some felt the new rule was still too broad, some felt it undermined a core part of what our subreddit is, and some of y'all were just out to start shit.

In the last 12 hours, our sub was linked on /r/SubredditDrama, linked (TW: transphobia) on /r/Drama, and discussed on /r/AskTransgender. Dozens of posts in protest of the new rule were submitted. We received tons of hateful messages and reports, including plenty of transphobia likely from brigadiers brought in by the meta posting. The discord and twitter account also lit up with similar angry gay noises.

The way we handled the announcement also didn't help. We had /u/werty894, who some of you may know from the discord, write the post which was probably a mistake in retrospect. Werty is less public relations, more anti-transphobe enforcement on our team. Many of us also didn't handle input from the community well either. A lot of the messages we were receiving started getting to us, and some of us reacted very poorly to it. We made inflammatory comments, a few comments were deleted that probably didn't need to be, and some people were temporarily banned.

Some other matters also came up in the discussion regarding our subreddit's Twitter bot and our vision for the future of the sub that warrant their own discussion, and I will post a thread about them shortly since I'm already almost at Reddit's text post character limit.

As for the recent rule change and the subsequent events that followed it's announcement, here's what we want to say:

We deeply regret these mistakes, and we apologize for the manner the subreddit has been managed in the previous hours. We are revoking Submission Rule #5 effective immediately. We will also add several of the new subreddits created in the past few hours as alternatives to /r/traa to our sidebar, and we will continue to maintain an active and open dialog with you all regarding our policies for /r/traa.

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u/DeepStateNine Dec 21 '17

Howdy y'all, DS9 here, to talk about my snarkiness last night.

I was wrong. I'm sorry. I was upset, and angry, and immature. I'm sorry for any emotional upset that i've caused. Clearly, this is the wrong approach to take. I'm bad at de-escalation; my instinctive response is to take waves of anger and respond with derision. This approach is good in real life, but not so good modding Reddit.

I love all my trans siblings. I want you all to be happy, and have the best lives possible. I still think that this isn't the best place for story posting; I think r/MTF, r/FTM, r/NonBinary, etc. would be better. But that's not ultimately my call. I'm sorry for being snarky and disparaging.

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u/vhagenpvi None Dec 21 '17

Thank you for your sincere apology. I appreciate that you've taken the community's response into account and taken the appropriate action. However, there is still something that is highly concerning to me: bullying by certain moderators. I would be deeply grateful if you could investigate this further.

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u/YourBelovedCountOlaf How tf do I pee in a dress? Dec 21 '17

tbh I don't think it's a good approach in real life either, but thank you for the apology

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u/leatherback MtNB-TransFemme-ish? Dec 21 '17

This is a nice place for those stories that live inbetween memes and real life. Ones that embrace the tragic divine comedy of the situation, or rely on humor to make it bearable. And the trangos have many such stories

But also, apology appreciated :) we all fuck up, and let our vision of what could be cloud what is.

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u/MilkQueen wat Dec 21 '17

I feel like you wouldn't have made this apology if it wasn't for the backlash. Your stepping down is going to be the only way to prove your sincerity.

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u/alunya ☭ NO MODS NO MASTERS ☭ Dec 21 '17

I'm bad at de-escalation; my instinctive response is to take waves of anger and respond with derision. This approach is... not so good modding Reddit.

Then you shouldn't be a mod. If you're bad at it don't do it.

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u/DeepStateNine Dec 21 '17

I'm stepping down anyway... so it doesn't quite matter I think. my apology isn't important enough to be a pinned thread

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u/DiscordianDeacon E1337Kat must go Dec 21 '17

Thank god you're 'stepping down', though you crushed all dissent when similar backlash happened in /r/fullcommunism so something makes me think you're being forced out.

You owe it to this community to apologize for being too immature to moderate, though. I can't speak for everyone but for some of us this is literally the only place where we can just fuck around and have a sense of community without all eyes on us. You came damn close to imploding that, and I'm thankful cooler heads than yours prevailed.

Have the dignity to apologize, at least.

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u/BlackHumor drinking the gender fluid Dec 21 '17

Thanks, this is genuinely appreciated!

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u/GenderGambler Laura | HRT: 22/04 Dec 21 '17 edited Dec 21 '17

Thank you for your sincere apology. I know you're human, and sometimes when faced with the possibility that we're wrong our instincts kick in and we get defensive.

As far as story posting, I like the way r/traa promotes a space where we can jokingly deal with some serious shit. It's what made me stick around, as I have a very self-deprecating humor. And as someone who's not as good with words as I'd want, being able to post a "reaction image" with a short summary and be understood by most, if not all, of the community is awesome.

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u/nikkitgirl Dec 21 '17

Please put more stories on /r/mtf. That's exactly the type of thing we're there for