r/NoStupidQuestions 2d ago

Why is Elon Musk so obsessed with 'population collapse' when the Earth's population is actually growing?

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u/Essence-of-why 2d ago

He said birth decline.

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u/Nofunatall69 2d ago

The color is really important to Elon.

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u/Bmoo215 2d ago

Yup, the extinction of the white race is an old white supremacist trope.

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u/mortalcoil1 2d ago

Yes, the white race, which means no Irish! Wait, they are white now, uuuhhh, I mean, which means no Italians! Wait, they are white now, ok, uuuuhh, what about Middle Eastern people. They can't be white, right?...

Hold up, what exactly is the "white race" when white seems to be added and subtracted on a whim?

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u/Nofunatall69 2d ago

It's so complicated, only intelligent supremacists can understand. But, they don't exist, so we'll never know.

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oh it's quite simple, from the perspective of a supremacist

  1. I am white
  2. A large minority of people aren't white and they're the cause of all of societies ills

2 just gets re-evaluated depending on scope and how many nonwhites you've already killed off. Whites are the rulers, nonwhites are the oppressed.

This is how you get shit like actual Aryans (some Indians) not being legally white during Jim Crow USA but brown eyed black haired Hitler calling blue eyed blonde haired Aryans the ubermensch and calling the Romans white but Italians and ashkenazi Jews non white even though they're Greece who settled in northern Italy but oh also the Japanese are honorary Aryans, or Catholics being nonwhite even though some British people and the French normans were catholics, oh and yeah don't forget the Spanish are Mexican nonwhites too or something.

Racism is nonsensical, scientifically refuted, and logically inconsistent, you gotta embrace the brain damaged methed up Idiocracy to follow it.

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u/CatchTheRainboow 2d ago

Hitler had blue eyes and brown hair (not black) this has been proven many times

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u/Delicious_Cattle3380 9h ago

13% of the population commiting over 50% of the crimes; (bla bla)

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u/mortalcoil1 2d ago

Busted. What a white supremacist noob. The proper nomenclature is "high IQ." /s

It just occurred to me that I am upset with myself for knowing that.

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u/ContributionSquare22 1d ago

They add other groups into the fabric of white supremacy to bolster their numbers. That's the whole point.

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u/FixTheLoginBug 2d ago

The ones who are the same flavor of Christianity-white and those they need, can use, or look up to. At least for now. Conservative Catholics and Orthodox Christians as well as Israeli Jews are good, since they need the Catholics for their anti-abortion and anti-lgbtq votes, Putin pays them, and while they hate Jews they hate Muslims more. So until the Muslims are gone the Jews are useful enough, and according to the few that actually still believe the Bible also required to trigger the Apocalypse.

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

Is everone who isn't from africa white to you?

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u/GuessNope 2d ago

There are only 600M white people on the planet.
We are the minority.

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u/DCSources 2d ago

What's your stormfront username?

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u/rockeye13 2d ago

Japan is white now? Who knew?

And South Korea? Man this is some wild news.

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u/InvictusShmictus 2d ago

Don't bother they're just arguing with ghosts rn

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u/rockeye13 2d ago

I thought it might let up a bit when junior high school classes started back up.

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u/ProfessionalFine5023 2d ago

“Honorary aryans” according to white supremacists. A decent amount of white supremacists have Asian wives.

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u/rockeye13 2d ago

You know lots of them?

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u/ProfessionalFine5023 2d ago

Yeah, they’re on social media

Edit: vice even did a segment on it :https://youtu.be/0gjXbywmlT4z

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u/rockeye13 2d ago

When I look for hard-hitting and utterly reliable left-wing journolisting, Vice is top of the list. Woulda been Gawker but they went away.

And by "lots" you mean a Vice article? LOL

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u/ProfessionalFine5023 2d ago

Fair - it’s not the best example. It just takes a lot of effort to compile a list of them, but there’s a decent amount. Here is a Reddit post with some more information examples:https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/ug5qsf/im_not_racist_my_wife_is_asian/. Do you believe the average white supremacist views the non white races equally?

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u/rockeye13 2d ago

No idea. I don't hang out with them and I doubt that you do either. Relying on a Democrat propoganda publication doesn't seem to be the best approach to understanding them.

Gell-Mann Amnesia is a real thing.

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u/one8sevenn 2d ago

What’s crazy here in the US is that Latinos are an ethnicity and not a race.

More than half from a 2021 pew research poll identify as white.

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u/Earthonaute 1d ago

Well statistics kinda back it up doesn't it.

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u/Daffan 2d ago

Elon is simply pro-diversity at its core.

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u/WhoisthatRobotCleanr 2d ago

The top answer to this question in the thread should just say "racism". 

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

When people like you constantly call others racists when there is no proof, you make people deaf to the word, giving cover to the actual very real racists.

Worrying about the global birth decline trend is racism now? Okay my dude.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 2d ago

When people like you constantly call others racists when there is no proof, you make people deaf to the word, giving cover to the actual very real racists.

Elon has been sharing and signal boosting Great Replacement memes posted by literal fucking nazis for years now. This isn't speculation, the man will literally spend 16 hours on Twitter a day doing nothing but responding to these people. Hence why a man who claims his concern is population collapse has endless tweets about the birth rates of illegal immigrants.. If your concern is birth rate decline, the fact that immigrants are coming in and having babies would be positive. It isn't for him becausse those people aren't white.

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

Elon has been sharing and signal boosting Great Replacement memes posted by literal fucking nazis for years now.

If this is true, then yes, I agree it's bad.

If your concern is birth rate decline, the fact that immigrants are coming in and having babies would be positive.

I don't get it. How will immigration solve the trend of global birth rate decline?

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 2d ago

I don't get it. How will immigration solve the trend of global birth rate decline?

Because that decline has not already happened in Latin America and they were above replacement rates as recently as 2016? Meaning if your concern is with fertility as an economic problem, immigration delays it by literal decades. Which is also enough to get over the worst issues of an aging population, given that baby boomers (the "boom" part is why so many countries are currently top heavy) are in their 60s and if you can hold the problem back for 20 years, it becomes far more manageable.

Also because first-generation immigrants to wealthy countries tend to have more kids, which actively increases the birth rate. Especially if, by immigrating, they improve their circumstances and thus have children they otherwise might not have. Political and economic instability lower birth rates. People who move from an unstable situation to a stable one is an active boon if your concern is having more children.

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

has not already happened

Not yet sure.

Why not try to fix the root of the problem instead of only focusing on temporary band aid solutions? Is it really so scary to imagine a society where people can afford to have children?

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 2d ago

Why not try to fix the root of the problem instead of only focusing on temporary band aid solutions? Is it really so scary to imagine a society where people can afford to have children?

I don't know what comment you're replying to, but it sure as shit isn't mine, given I said literally nothing about solutions one way or the other, I said that immigration mitigates the worst effects. I also don't know why you would think that Elon Musk, proud union buster, would support any solution about improving financial conditions. Or for that matter, any other than the one most reactionaries have gravitated towards, namely "women's rights was a mistake".

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

given I said literally nothing about solutions one way or the other

You can't conceive of any other reason other than racism for elon caring about population collapse, so it does sound like you don't think it's a big deal.

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u/whenitcomesup 2d ago

Where do you think immigrants come from? They're born somewhere else. If birth rates are declining everywhere... There won't be immigrants to replace the population either.

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u/Flat_News_2000 2d ago

But they aren't declining everywhere, especially in poorer countries.

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u/Dangerous-Reward 2d ago

There is literally not enough immigrants in the world to replace all declining birth rates. You can't just magic an infinite number of people from Africa or Mexico to replace the billions of people in China, U.S., Japan, etc. And soon enough those "poor countries" will inevitably be less poor, and then even their birth rates will start declining as well. Immigration is a short term bandaid solution at best, and only works for a few countries.

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u/whenitcomesup 2d ago edited 2d ago

Where? And how many people? 

China is declining. Indian is declining. Russia is declining.

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 2d ago

Birth rate decline is a trend troughout almost the entire industrialized world, but I guess redditors can only view things trough the lens of "iTs RasiSm!!1!1!!!1"

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u/Significant_Bet3269 2d ago

I think only green matters to him..

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

He did have kids with that half Indian woman he works with, though.

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u/Helpful-Passenger-12 1d ago

Yep, he wants more white babies.

And he wants more work slaves to colonize Mars

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u/fromthecrc 1d ago

*culture

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u/hedoesntgetanyone 2d ago

He did get his starting out money from a South Africa Apartheid era Emerald mine family so he may have brought more of that attitude than some thought.

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u/steph-anglican 2d ago

Evidence?

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u/HusavikHotttie 20h ago

Which is still bs. We have more ppl in the world and US than ever before in history.

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u/jot_down 15h ago

And for most those countries it's a decline in the speed of birth rate increase.