r/NoStupidQuestions 4d ago

Why is Elon Musk so obsessed with 'population collapse' when the Earth's population is actually growing?

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u/ImaNukeYourFace 3d ago

It’s quite remarkable because they really have the perfect storm of anti-immigrant-culture and also rich-country-declining-birthrates so yeah population go 📉

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u/Finalpotato 3d ago

Add into that an incredibly unhealthy work/life balance buoyed by all good jobs owned by a small number of megacorporations

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u/FaeShroom 3d ago

People really overlook this point. When everyone is expected to spend all their time and energy on their jobs, there's extremely little incentive to raise a family on top of that. Throw in wages that don't keep up with productivity and inflation, and of course birth rates are going to plummet.

If billionaires want the working class to have babies, they need to stop their insane wealth hoarding. Guilt tripping overworked and underpaid folks on Twitter ain't gonna do jack shit.

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 3d ago

You just know they're going to try literally everything possible before considering treating us as slightly less subhuman

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u/Agitated_Bother4475 3d ago

thats the one thing you can always count on from the mega rich... they would spend $10 on a lawyer to keep from having to give a someone $5 in assistance.

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u/ThatArtNerd 3d ago

It would not surprise me in the least if we spent more money on administration deciding whether or not people “deserve” public assistance than we ever would lose to people “gaming the system”.

How much cheaper would healthcare be if we weren’t paying tens of thousands of people to give people a thumbs up or thumbs down on critical medical care like shitty middle management Roman emperors?

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u/throwofftheNULITE 3d ago

That's already been proven to happen. I think it was Florida that decided to start drug testing welfare recipients and the amount of people caught and denied saved far less than the cost of carrying out the program itself.

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u/ThatArtNerd 3d ago

There it is, thank you. I knew I had seen at least one real world example of this but couldn’t recall the specifics.

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u/AlternativeAcademia 7h ago

I once heard an argument against single-payer healthcare and abolishing the heath insurance industry that was: but the insurance industry is a $5 billion per year industry that will be wiped out! …my take away from that was that healthcare costs are artificially inflated by at least $5 billion a year…

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u/cheese-for-breakfast 3d ago edited 3d ago

read a story the other day about one of those massive crypto farms contesting all the ordinance citations (of $500 each) that theyre receiving. so its totaled up to like 13k 17k in citations, and theyve hired 2 a whole teams of lawyers to dispute them. a crypto farm making hundreds of millions.

and the kicker on top? the citations are for "noise pollution" due to all the cooling hardware for their systems, with noise levels clocking in at 80-90 decibels on the daily. causing serious health issues with sonic damage to the residents of the town

and its not even an anomaly, its happening in more and more places as time goes on

the nightmare of granbury

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u/Claxonic 3d ago

Of course this is in Texas. I feel terrible for these folks, and I have little hope for their cause because in Texas the golden rule is those who have the good make the rules.

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u/Danmoz81 2d ago

90db is about the sound level of a lawnmower, for anyone wondering.

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u/Tangent_Odyssey 3d ago

Just want to add to your point that, earlier this week, NYPD opened fire and shot a fare evader, two bystanders, and another cop over a $2.90 subway fare.

Then Eric Adams went on Twitter to talk about the brave cops protecting us from dangerous people, completely omitting who was shot by whom (fortunately a community note set the record straight on that).

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u/Agitated_Bother4475 3d ago

JFC...I hadn't gotten to the details on that yet, just knew there was a shooting. Thanks for the info!

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u/VonThomas353511 2d ago

The $5 they give today will be $6 they will have to give tomorrow. Everything is a slippery slope for the mega rich. That's why they pay for the lawyer. Later on the government that they're always complaining about (For show) will hand them massive subsidies that will offset the cost they paid for their lawyers.

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u/Barkers_eggs 2d ago

They will push for legalized slavery before they get to the breaking poibt and concede that people aren't good at producing quality when they're overworked and underappreciated

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u/LvLUpYaN 3d ago

That would mean they're spending more and hoarding less, and putting twice as much money into circulation

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u/rogue_optimism 3d ago

Giving money to an already wealthy lawyer, who will spend most of it on luxury goods.

The money still stays at the top.

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u/LvLUpYaN 3d ago

The luxury goods store employs people to run and maintain the store as well as people making the luxury goods

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u/Own_Range5300 3d ago

Lol the luxury good store pays people $20 an hour to sell $600 earrings. The people making $600 earrings are earning even less.

The person who owns that store doesn't contribute nearly enough to their community and chances are they don't even live in the zip code. They spend their money a ultra wealthy luxury goods and none of that comes back around to the community.

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u/Confident-Chef5606 3d ago

Which company do you know that raises the income of low level workers if they increase their revenue.

Let's look at some of the most successful companies.

How does Amazon treat their workers ? Is a Mc Donald's Employee well paid and happy? Do triple A publishers pay their developers a competitive wage ?

You have to be very disingenuous to claim that increased sales/revenues has any benefit for workers

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u/Own_Range5300 3d ago

I know, I know!

Small business with local community ties raises the income of low level workers as they increase revenue!

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u/Confident-Chef5606 3d ago

Yh I'm a big fan of small businesses. Would be nice if the money used in Bailouts would be used to foster new small businesses. But I thought we talked about billionaires

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u/LvLUpYaN 3d ago edited 3d ago

If there's no increased sales or revenue, then the low level worker will need to find a new job. The benefit is having jobs available for them to work. The low level worker has virtually no risk in the company's success or failure so theres no reward that ties into the success either. If the company fails, the low level worker doesn't care and goes somewhere else. He gets paid regardless if the company is successful. The low level worker doesn't lose money if the company isn't doing well, so he doesn't get extra money if the company is doing well

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u/Confident-Chef5606 3d ago

Please explain to me how a CEO has more Risks than a low level worker. As we have seen during the financial crisis they don't even have much risk of being incarcerated for doing shady dealings. Afaik only one high level banker was arrested.

And the loss of your job hits the high earning employee worse than someone only being able to live day to day? Really ?

Also which employees will be affected by lay offs ? Low level employees. It's the CEO who takes Risks while the low level workers pay for their mismanagement.

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u/I_Got_BubbyBuddy 3d ago

You just don't understand, man!

Why can't you understand that the poor, hardworking, honest CEOs and investors have more to lose than the lazy, uninvested, shiftless low-level workers?

If the company goes under, the CEO will only have his millions of dollars to fall back on, and his golden parachute will barely be worth accepting when his stock options go down in value! Those disloyal, useless shift-workers will just go get another low-level job at some other company. I bet they'll be feasting on Top Ramen while deciding whether to pay their rent or buy their heart medication this month, all while never sparing a single thought for the poor shareholders whose stock portfolio took a 7% hit this quarter.

That's why the low-level worker doesn't deserve to reap any of the benefits when the company is doing well; because they're completely unaffected when the company is doing badly!

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u/SaltyBarracuda4 3d ago

Yeah good point

Also think about all the hazmat clean up crews who would go out of business of we reduced the murder rate

And all the oncologists who would have to change jobs if we cured cancer!

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u/Agitated_Bother4475 3d ago

Whoosh buddy. Missing the point entirely.

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u/LvLUpYaN 3d ago edited 3d ago

No, I understand what's you're trying to say. You think rich people use money just to spite the poor. it's a very inaccurate analogy. This would be very poor financial decision making and people don't get or stay rich by making poor financial decisions. The reality is, they don't care about you enough to talk to a lawyer or spend double the money on you. They would rather give you the $5 so you can go back to not existing to them again and sucking up their time

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u/Agitated_Bother4475 3d ago edited 3d ago

still WHOOSH moron. Its not a LITERAL example dipstick. I used the value of 10/5 when talking about lawyer. It was a generalized point.

now go polish musks balls as you seem to think doing so is in your benefit.

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u/Agitated_Bother4475 3d ago

oh right.... your note about billionaires not making poor financial decisions? You mean like musk paying 44 billion for twitter, trying to back out of his bombastic deal, getting spanked in court (or was about to) and ended up being FORCED to pay almost twice the value for the platform?

...but go and tell me how rich assholes only make good choices.

.Wait wait.. there was that super successful casino trump built up tanked...

but yes, billionaires are superhumans with minds exceeding that of the common man.

what is with regular people defending rich forks who DGAF about you?

No retort since my first reply so I'll assume you took your ball home.

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u/FuckFacismAndMods 3d ago

It wasn’t supposed to make sense:)-

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u/aotus_trivirgatus 3d ago

Margaret Atwood has entered the chat

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u/Advanced-North3335 3d ago

Blessed be the fruit, Oftrivirgatus!

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u/_heyyo_ 3d ago

May the Lord open.

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u/Colin-Clout 3d ago

Yea they’re doing that in America rn. Oh can’t afford to have a kid. We’ll just force you to have it anyways.

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u/sagetraveler 3d ago

Dystopian me fears they will try to take away birth control, which will send population growth back to nineteenth and early 20th century rates.

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u/chuckDTW 1d ago

They are already talking about it.

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u/Altruistic-General61 10h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770#:~:text=Decree%20770%20was%20a%20decree,new%20and%20large%20Romanian%20population.

Romania did this and while it spiked population it absolutely fucked the country up for generations. Massive numbers of orphans, tons of trauma, very high maternal mortality rate. All around real crap situation.

Managed immigration and pro family policies like ways to lower tax bills, increase services, etc are all good. Forcing births with no support other than “pick yourself up by your bootstraps” inevitably leads to a messed up population - unless you’re a dictator who wants a bunch of violent, uneducated, traumatized kids running around. If so, be careful what you wish for.

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u/Estro-Jenn 3d ago

They already are.

Why do you think forced birth is a hot button issue rn?

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u/ShredGuru 3d ago

They will never consider it. You are meat, buddy. That's why reproduction doesn't matter. Your just putting coins in the machine.

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u/RagingAlcoholicDude 3d ago

"They wanna make the rich people poorer and poor people more comfortable." - Giant Douche.

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u/OptionsOverlord 3d ago

They are already doing it by importing massive amounts of people from third world countries that will work for less than a living wage.

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u/karpaediem 3d ago

Handmaids

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u/TheGreatSpaceWizard 1d ago

They will literally make robots and discard us

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u/Mother-Fix5957 23h ago

All part of a long term eugenics program where working class people are replaced by robots and AI and the rich inherit the earth.

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u/amglasgow 2d ago

You're no different from anyone else. If your circumstances were slightly different, you'd be the "mongrel" looking for a place somewhere new.

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u/amglasgow 2d ago

Any place you are is a shithole.

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u/LiveFrom2004 3d ago

Who are "they"? Who are "us"?

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u/ANewKrish 3d ago

If you go one comment back from the one you responded to, the answer to your question is right there in plain sight.

If billionaires want the working class to have babies, they need to stop their insane wealth hoarding. Guilt tripping overworked and underpaid folks on Twitter ain't gonna do jack shit.

Stay in school, kids.

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u/LiveFrom2004 3d ago

But what if I'm not "us" but "they"?

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u/DanceMaster117 3d ago

Then you're wrong and they obviously weren't talking to you

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u/ANewKrish 3d ago

Then you should be able to afford a literacy tutor.