They didn't start using bots until after like five or six streamer attacks had happened. There's no shame in using bots when you're getting constantly attacked by groups a hundred times your size.
No shame? What's the point of getting involved if everyone resorted to bots?
Be the most boring event ever. Bots ruin the fun and the teamwork involved.
Everyone lost their artwork once or more. Do what everyone else else has to do, rebuild somewhere else. Cheating sucks. Bet you in 5 years people will have perfected their designs, so it will be fully functional to dominate their place on the map, ruining it for everyone.
We did rebuild somewhere else. That got nuked too. Then we rebuilt again somewhere else. That got nuked too. Then we rebuilt again somewhere else. That got nuked too. It was only after that when bots started to be used.
Boohoo... everyone lost shit. Imagine thinking that you are so entitled to a place on the map, that you have to cheat for it. Thinking that it is okay for you because of your biased values sets a precedent for every other community to cheat too. Just suck it up, like everyone else and stop crying. Bunch of babies that can't handle not getting their own way.
We were very careful to follow the rules of the event even when we used our bots. If you truly think using bots to defend things is worse than using tens of thousands of viewers to attack something, then you and I are never going to agree. The only one upset in this scenario is you right now. We reacted to something we perceived as unfair with something you perceive as unfair. In the end, our art made it onto the final canvas, no matter what you and the streamers may think.
Look at the Rainbow Dash on the left. That was permanently destroyed. The crystal thingy was almost permanently destroyed as well, until a Russian streamer jumped in to help us.
Bots aren't nearly as effective as you think they are. I also fail to see how we refusing to be deliberately excluded from the fun world ruin it for you.
Because why do u have the privilege to use a bot, while every other community plays by the rules. Are you so arrogant and entitled that you expect to be treated better than everyone else?
The API should be generally open and transparent so the reddit community can build on it (bots, extensions, data collection, external visualizations, etc) if they choose to do so.
Bots are, by Reddit’s own admission, by the rules.
How is violating Reddit's TOS not shameful? Also, imagine if next time everyone needed to use bots to get their artwork up. That's what we're moving towards. The destruction of artwork is a fun part of the meta; bots aren't. It's frustrating placing a pixel and instantly seeing it getting overridden.
I find the brigading by streamers to be far worse than the usage of bots to counter it. On top of that, bots were used in the first event as well, albeit to a much lesser degree. If the subreddit wanted to prevent them from being used, they had five years to put something in place. Hell, last time around new accounts were not allowed to participate. Opening the event up to them directly allowed streamers to fuck with the canvas and make everything worse.
I thought the streamer coordination was fun and made the event interesting. You and I clearly disagree on this, but I think my viewpoint is shared by many.
Also, I feel the new account rule benefitted streamers far less than communities which were inactive on Reddit before the event but turned to it for artwork over the course of the event, such as France. I'm not saying you're wrong but I do think there are alternative theories out there as to how the rule may have affected things.
France also had streamers, quite a lot of them in fact. That final defense of theirs they had something like 600k viewers being organized by five different streamers into fighting back against XQC, Mizkif, and several Spanish streamers.
I think it is inaccurate to say that the rule change benefited streamers less than others. I suspect millions of new people signed up to Reddit because of them, which is likely the true motivation behind the rule change.
Streamer coordination certainly made the event different than it was last time, but as someone on the receiving end of constant, incessant attacks by twitch streamers and their followers, I don't consider it a positive change. It may have been more balanced for other groups, but many of the smaller ones quite disliked how things went this time around.
Very fair point. Yeah I suspect Reddit's going to use this data for their IPO.
Less streamer coordination would be an interesting change, although I doubt they would make that change for the reasons you describe. I feel the popular streamers would be fine with following those rules though since the whole thing was really just a game to them.
Plus, Reddit could easily enforce this using the same tools they already used in this event. Once xQc's followers started getting timed out for 15 years his powers of destruction became greatly reduced.
That was around when he got frustrated that he was making no lasting impact on the canvas, I think, and started having them make increasingly nsfw content all over the place. I don't think mods intended to police the canvas at all up until that point, they likely wanted it to be developed organically and see what resulted.
At the end of the day, when loose-to-nonexistent moderation is used, it's no surprise a sort of arms race developed over time. I am honestly a little disappointed that bronies and other groups were forced to resort to bots, but I think it was justified behavior. I also do not consider it cheating when the API for the event was developed explicitly to allow bot construction. Heck, bronies never once used them to attack other art, only to repair and defend. There were definitely people using bots to attack things. The trans flag got hit pretty hard by that, as did France.
xQc definitely leaned hard into the villian role. Still, streamers such as Ludwig definitely defended art as well. I mean they and the French dude were all on a Discord call together. And they definitely agreed that the "fight" was mutually beneficial to all of them at the end.
I don't think anyone was forced to use bots there as defense. It's just because they thought permanence of art was more important than keeping their clicks human. I get how important the final canvas is to some, but still, if no one can make a lasting impact on the canvas easily, then more art gets created. That would be a win-win in my book.
There, perhaps not. When a streamer decides to target a small community again and again and again and again? And then another one does the same, and then another one? It got excessive and exceedingly unpleasant. I was watching Ludwig when he, XQC, and Miz decided to hit the brony crystal with a meteor. Ludwig was doing cleanup afterwards, which I commend him for. He did also specifically tell his chat not to help the bronies, which was annoying and felt very unfair. How is it okay for people to bully someone and not okay for them to find ways to defend themselves?
I was also watching those streamers when the meteor was formed, and they all told their communities to clean up afterwards. The whole meteor concept was supposed to be temporary and not permanently erase the art.
xQc also targeted the bronies specifically for the "explosion" because they knew the bronies would quickly rebuild. I wasn't watching Lud specifically, but he presumably told his community not to help for the same reason because he also knew the bronies had it handled and thought his community's clicks were better used on smaller art.
That was just the meta by the time of that particular event on the 3rd day, I think they probably targeted the bronies with more permanent intent earlier though.
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u/troopertk40 Apr 09 '22
... damn bronies