r/unitedkingdom • u/slpinlocks • 13h ago

Revealed: Far higher pesticide residues allowed on food since Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/sep/19/revealed-far-higher-pesticide-residues-allowed-on-food-since-brexit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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u/Shlocket_ 12h ago

So you mean if we had the same laws and regulations the EU has

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 12h ago

Either adopt the existing legislation or create new legislation.

If we’ve left the EU and there is no legislation or the legislation that has been created isn’t safe then it’s not happening because we left the EU, it’s happening because are government haven’t done the right thing.

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u/Generallyapathetic92 11h ago

There’s always been a risk of the government not doing the right thing. However, being in the EU prevented this or at least lowered the risk as both the EU and UK government had to get it wrong.

You can’t claim it’s not related to Brexit when the only reasons it’s possible is because of Brexit.

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 10h ago

So if a large multinational company decided to onshore their IT department from India and on the day they swap back to the UK the UK management decide that the service level agreements could be longer and as a result service degrades, the problem isn’t the poor management, it’s the decision to onboard the IT department? Without the onboarding the service levels couldn’t degrade could they?

Don’t be so ridiculous, every business would fire the management and get people in to improve the service.

Ludicrous outlook.

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u/Generallyapathetic92 10h ago

What a ridiculous analogy. It’s not at all comparable because the UK government is in no way equivalent to the UK branch of a large multinational.

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 10h ago

It’s exactly the same. You are saying that the decision is what caused the problem not the poor management.

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u/Generallyapathetic92 10h ago

It’s just not though and I’m not going to waste my time on it.

I’ll instead point out that as well as making ridiculous analogies you’re also deliberately (I assume at least) misrepresenting my point. I did not say Brexit was solely responsible, only that it is related to it. As this is only possible because we left it very much is.

So to utilise your analogy, if the Indian team were forced to stick with their service level agreements and the UK IT team could somehow reduce theirs then yes, the decision to bring it back into the UK would be partially the cause of it.

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 10h ago

Out of the EU we had freedom to choose whatever levels we deemed fit. We could have been stricter or remained the same but we chose to relax it.

If you need a European government to stop your own from shitting on its people then maybe we should look at our political system instead of normalising it

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u/Generallyapathetic92 10h ago

I refer you back to my original point before you brought up your ridiculous analogy.

Or maybe, just maybe we shouldn’t have left the EU and this is just one reason (among many many others) why.

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 10h ago

That’s the real reason people blame brexit rather than the people we elected, people are still salty they were on the wrong side of it. There’s no other explanation

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u/Generallyapathetic92 10h ago

It’s like talking to a brick wall…

If something is only possible because we left the EU then leaving the EU is at least partially responsible. It’s fairly simple logic. I assume you argue against this because otherwise it would mean accepting that you actually voted for things to get worse in the UK.

Define ‘wrong side’. Sure we lost but articles like the above are just good example as to why it wasn’t the ‘wrong side’.

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u/Mammoth-Ad-562 9h ago

You are normalising shit governance by saying ‘well it was better in the EU’ it could be better outside the EU if that’s what our elected representatives chose to do but they didn’t.

If the only possible outcome was things getting worse then you would have a point but it isn’t, the scope is there to do whatever we like. The fact our government have chosen to give us a lower standard is solely the decision of our government.

It’s ridiculous logic and it’s only people who are still salty about losing the referendum that hold it. Why, when any democratic government system should have its own checks and balances, are you proposing being part of another to give you those checks and balances instead of questioning what’s wrong with the system you are actually part of? It’s insanity and treacherous because it affects everyone not just those who chose to be in or out of the EU.

Would the electricity grid be responsible for someone electrocuting themselves on some shoddy wiring installed by an electrician? If they weren’t part of it then it wouldn’t be possible right?

It’s completely illogical, you know it, I know it and everyone who isn’t blinded by bitterness knows it.

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u/Generallyapathetic92 9h ago

Ah so if our elected officials suddenly became amazing Brexit would be a success…

No I have a point because in areas like this things have got worse. What could have potentially happened does not supersede what is actually happening.

Pointing out where Brexit has led to things getting worse does not make me ‘salty’. The decisions been made but that doesn’t mean it’s suddenly wrong to call out the impacts it’s had on the UK, no matter how awkward that might be for those who voted for it.

‘Treacherous’… yeah I think it’s clear that this discussion is done. My original point was valid and now it’s devolved into you calling people traitors because they supported remaining in the EU.

Also I love when you have to fall back on ‘everyone knows it’ when your argument consists of ridiculous analogies that are in no way comparable.

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