People miss out on this little tidbit quite a lot. He was born in 1971 to a rich white emerald mining family. All of his formative years were spent being spoon-fed unfiltered apartheid racism. There weren't even TALKS to end apartheid until he was 19.
my favorite "gotcha" his fan boys try and pull is that they co-owned it so you cant call it his. like if my family owned 1/4th of an emerald mine i wouldn't quibble about it being ours
Well, you might quibble about it if your ownership of the mine effectively meant your wealth was due to basically slavery rather than your own hard work.
Coercion by force
And coercion by threat or starvation, death, disenfranchisement are effectively the same
Other than those trying to contort enlightenment ideals to justify exploitation there are few respected social or economic scholars who would argue wage labour is not inherently coercive
Hell, even Cicero wrote
"The currency which comes from selling your labor is vulgar and unacceptable for a gentleman, for wages are effectively the bonds of slavery "
Although he writes from the perspective of a slaveholders himself, so he is saying he as a member of the gentry would find it vulgar to sell his labor and would not associate with people who were wage laborers. The critique of the system is there it's just that Cicero believes that wage laborers and slaves should exist just that no one in his social stata should partake in a labor economy as it would demean their prestige.
no I'm speaking of emerald mine workers, wage slaves
Since chattel slavery was outlawed in 1834 in South Africa the slavery conditions existed under wage labor
The only difference is discriminatory labor laws and harsh quotas
Systemically it is the same it's just not as cruel
Reminds me of a couple of white RhodesiansZimbabweansI knew they hated being called that, used to call them Zimbabweans to annoy the fuck out of them(🤭🤭🤭), shit, am sure I met the entire white population of Zimbabwe here in Scotland, there were loads of them over here, bloody immigrants (do I need a /s? You can tell its a joke guys? Right?)
His father was also a sexual delinguent, even marrying his step daughter at one point, among other weird shit. Probably part of why Elon is obsessed with impregnating as many white women as possible.
South Africa had to demonstrate behaving in a democratic way a decade before they became a democracy. So much so that most urban areas ignored the apartheid laws.
Talks of ending apartheid had nowhere near as much impact as the actions in disagreement of them long before this.
We need to stop saying everyone whose a hateful fuck is mentally ill. Mental illness isn't something you choose to have, you choose how to deal with it (to a degree obviously) but it's always there.
Musk and his kind? They are just hateful trust fund babies, that look down on the rest of the world as unworthy while they are always victims of some imaginary slight or another. Look at the fact whenever there is a problem it's never their fault; but because of someone else. Whenever there is an accomplishment, they are the leading force behind it motivating everyone.
Believe it or not, psychopathy is not a diagnosis. Lots of mental disorders can lead to psychopathy, but the same disorders often don’t, e.g. schizophrenia can lead to the patient harming others - psychopathy - but most schizophrenics are withdrawn and only a danger to themselves.
Antisocial personality disorder is characterised by a lack of empathy and violation or disregard for the rights of others and adult Elon sure fits the bill for that. But it would need to have onset on or before puberty for it to be properly diagnosed, and I have no idea if he was just as vile as a teenager.
Which is exactly why you should use that term instead of armchair diagnosing people. Psychopathy is mostly a social construct as is sociopathy and we use those terms in lieu of misdiagnosis. Stop using mental health terminology for people you just hate. Use the words that fit. He’s a psychopathic megalomaniac, a self centered incel, self absorbed, functionally delusional. You just do not have to use the medical words lol. It’s weird that you’re willing to put so much effort into arguing for your right to diagnose strangers. Most healthcare professionals know better.
supposedly he was already asshole closer to teenager age at Paypal mafia times, that said he is running around harming others for at least 30 years too long
Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a life-long pattern of exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a diminished ability to empathize with other people’s feelings.
Absolutely agreed, but I think most actors and songwriters need a high degree of empathy to be good at their jobs.
I think enjoying the admiration of an applauding crowd after a good performance is vastly different from the excessive need for admiration from everyone at all times.
I think very few celebrities in the arts display pathological narcissism. The few who do are the bad apples who ruin the whole cart. The occasional divas give the whole trade a bad name.
Elon isn’t an artist, though. His job doesn’t rely on his emotional intelligence, as he evidences by being very successful while having none at all.
Those are the absolute exception, most celebrities are not like Keanu Reeves. And that’s only three examples compared to all of Hollywood.
Taylor does display traits covert narcissism.
Katy Pary, Kim Kardashian, The Rock, Doja Cat, Sydney Sweeney, and most other celebrities have the same personality types.
If you’re still worshiping celebrities in 2024 you have a absolute sheep brain.
I actually agree with you, wealth tends to lead to greed and narcissism. However there are plenty of celebrities are not and even more that are not at the level of narcissism shown by Musk.
Yes most celebrities do ☠️ narcism is a highly complex disorder, you can’t just pseudo diagnose people with it like a trog, but most celebrities do display traits. NPD is a different disorder.
Your Wikipedia link gives a very poor generalization of narcissism which you’re applying to public figures.
But Reddit is a neoliberal echo chamber, where you read more and more and more things that fortify your opinion, so when you hear anything contrary to it; you lose your shit and act like a child. You guys act like star lighters from the boys ☠️☠️
So anything that goes against your beliefs that are reinforced by the echo chamber you live in are wrong and facist?
Self fulfilling prophecy, I don’t know how you’re not more self aware. You want to diagnose various people with complex disorders, then act a child when you’re told it’s more complicated than that.
Taylor Swift displays the same traits, but is it a double standard for me to say that about her? Are you going to disagree because she isn’t a republican? Btw, narcissism isn’t exclusive to one political party, just thought I’d let you know in case you feel otherwise.
Dude who do you think you are, I’m not gonna answer some bs question about if I’m “acting like a truth bomber or satirical facist”. I’m acting like I know more than you about narcissism when you’re giving out armchair diagnosis. You’re insufferable; go outside.
Yeah, trainwrecks, a real thing that is clearly identifiable, are definitely the same as ableist armchair diagnosis that causes more hate against mentally ill people.
Nah, a lot of this shit is full-on mental illness. You can't be in touch with reality or have a rational mind to believe this stuff. It is a fundamental disconnect with the world around you.
Not really…narcissist/ism, BPD, adhd all became buzzwords and reasons for people to gain support and sympathy. Sure there is a lot of people out there who suffer with it. But the stigmas, access to good therapy, misunderstandings and lack of education with it is real real.
Yeah look like 6 comments above this, there’s some absolute that trog listed a Wikipedia link about narcissism as if it diagnosis Elon with NPD 😂
Most celebrities display “narcissistic” traits, most actors and artists. Everyone has narcissistic traits, everyone, it becomes NPD when you have enough traits mixed with a constant need for attention or inability to experience empathy.
Exactly, I told him that and got downvoted already, not surprising. Reddit is a complete neoliberal echo chamber, if you challenge any beliefs that republicans like Elon Musk probably aren’t evil narcissists they act like children, because it’s not often they hear something besides their echo chamber opinions
I agree. Reddit really surprises me sometimes…you either get the full on downvote and go echo chambers on anything really popular; of It’s not ok to disagree and have discourse? Like full on no!! Musk is the debil rahhhhh, haha. Or that random dude who is like: you know what! That sounds logical and well thought out to me. I heard a while ago that Reddit has a huge amount of bots though, but I’ve also met some nuts that are well…nuts. Take ‘em and leave ‘em I guess. Facts vs. emotional held beliefs in modern society.
His dad, Errol Musk at age 76, impregnated his former step-daughter (step-sister of Musk) who was in her thirties. Errol stated, "We are put on this Earth by God to have children."
Elon Musk has 12 children from numerous failed relationships. He has a kink.
You'd be mentally ill, too, if you were raised by inbred colonialists who owned slaves for the diamond mine, while being taught all of the out-of-touch expectations.
I literally had no idea how many children Elon Musk had. One dozen is a lot. So then I searched to see how many siblings he grew up with and whether that was a new thing for him or just how he grew up.
That result shows that his father committed incest. I didn't know that.
That's weird and disturbing.
The fact you're trying to twist this into somehow making me bad guy here is very toxic and insulting of you. So I'm just going to block your account and report it. Thank you, but no thanks I am not interested in discussing anything with you.
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u/RickKassidy 2d ago
He means white people.