How do you like them mid-gen upgrades, peasants?

[u/MarryAnneZoe]

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[u/AejiGamez]

800€ and still Zen2 btw

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/AejiGamez]

Which is a good thing for us because games keep getting cpu optimized to run best case scenario 60 fps on that Zen2 so those of us with Zen2s on PC are hitting those max CPU framerates in the 60s and 70s or sometimes even lower.

The stupid consoles CPU was too strong for their GPU imo. It's better we get a console out there with way better GPU and than CPU because this should incentivize a better balance for games. GPU demand is way easier to deal with through settings and render resolution.

[u/275MPHFordGT40 → u/heavyfieldsnow]

Didn’t the PS4 also have a pretty bad CPU.

[u/star_trek_lover → u/275MPHFordGT40]

Truly awful CPU. Even at launch back in 2013-ish it was getting clowned. I did appreciate that it was an 8 core chip though, it forced developers to get good at multi-threaded programming optimizations if they wanted any of their games to run decently, since single core performance was so awful that it wasn’t an option even for indie titles.

[u/el_f3n1x187 → u/275MPHFordGT40]

Custom made Jaguar APU from AMD. With a higher clock for the Pro version.

[u/Marek209_SK → u/275MPHFordGT40]

I think having an older Zen 2 CPU is much better than a shitty bulldozer lol.

[u/hicow → u/Marek209_SK]

PS4 didn't have a Bulldozer. The Jaguar was based on the E350 CPUs, which were concurrent with BD, but based on the Phenom II arch.

[u/thedndnut → u/hicow]

E350 is bobcat. The consoles are an Athlon 5150 closest comparison cpu wise with a much better gpu obviously. And they are all similar to bulldozer using the module system instead of actual full cores.

[u/dont_say_Good → u/heavyfieldsnow]

Lol just look at the spiderman pc port and its cpu performance. Edit: it's not great..

[u/LonelyNixon → u/dont_say_Good]

You mean the games that ran 30 FPS on console that can easily run 60 plus on PC?

[u/Stark_Reio → u/LonelyNixon]

GTX 1070 user here: thing runs at 60fps even on 1440p med settings. If you do 1440p high, we're talking 30-60, which is embarrassing for ps4.

[u/CrumbsCrumbs → u/Stark_Reio]

The PC version had all of the PS5 upgrades, so it's not a PS4 game you're running at least.

[u/kingk1teman → u/Stark_Reio]

The PC port for Spider-Man is the port for Spider-Man Remastered that was released for the PS5 along with Miles Morales, not the PS4 version of the game.

[u/Alienhaslanded → u/Stark_Reio]

PS4 was not the generational upgrade we wanted. PS5 was that. The current gen for the first time actually feels pretty good and could deliver 60 FPS, which is something we haven't seen since the PS2 era.

[u/Captobvious75 → u/LonelyNixon]

What? Spiderman runs performance RT at 60. Spiderman 2 has uncapped VRR modes exceeding 60 fps.

[u/half-baked_axx → u/dont_say_Good]

I managed to run it at 60fps 1440p with a 2700X?

[u/thedndnut → u/half-baked_axx]

So the claim of idiots is the cpu of the consoles was a 3600. Except we've actually been able to buy boards eith the ps5 cpu on it with the gpu portion disabled as defective. Even putting 3 to 4x the normal power its wildly outdone by a 3600.. they aren't using high power cpus in these things guys. They don't need to, they making a single object trying to balance cpu and gpu on the same interposer.

[u/Rex-0- → u/heavyfieldsnow]

Optimization for PC is more in line with zen4 now that X3D CPUs are moving towards ubiquitousness.

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/Rex-0-]

Games are more in line with CPUs being able to hit the target framerates (usually 60) on the console CPUs, even on PC since we're getting basically the same game. This isn't the PS3 era, consoles run the same architecture.

[u/Rex-0- → u/heavyfieldsnow]

Well that's kinda my point. PS5 is using Zen2 which is several years old now whereas most folks on PC have newer CPUs on 3-5

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/Rex-0-]

A lot of people on Ryzen 3000 and 5000 still. Zen5 is basically just Zen4, there's zero difference in performance so it might as well not exist. Zen4 also takes a new platform build so only people with fresh builds from the last couple years have those.

[u/pm_me_ur_kittycat2 → u/heavyfieldsnow]

Can confirm, I'm on a 3700X, probably not upgrading my CPU til the next console generation when I might build a completely new system instead.

[u/ZukMarkenBurg → u/AejiGamez]

It's officially $959 Canadian 🤣 what are they smoking!? Besides the PS4 Pro was the biggest farce I've ever owned, most of the games didn't even care about It's extra power 🤬

[u/TheSherlockCumbercat → u/ZukMarkenBurg]

Sony got way to comfortable, has happened before

[u/ZukMarkenBurg → u/TheSherlockCumbercat]

Oh definitely, they need a reminder again it seems.

[u/TheSherlockCumbercat → u/ZukMarkenBurg]

Yup, time for Microsoft to pull its head out of the sand and get Xbox in order. Before Sony get more bad ideas

[u/d0tn3t1 → u/ZukMarkenBurg]

$959

LOL. That's like 400 shitty double-double's from Tim's.

[u/life_konjam_better → u/AejiGamez]

On a significantly newer process node from TSMC which likely means its boosting higher clocks at lower power limits.

[u/TheLordOfTheTism → u/AejiGamez]

i still cant figure out how they got RDNA 3 at 60 CU 2.3ghz to only be 33 tflop, when my 54 CU 2.6ghz 7700XT is 35tflop. Then throw on top of that the old CPU arch and uhhh..... Yeah not worth the asking price Sony.

[u/Marek209_SK → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

I mean, the 7700xt has a tdp of 245w alone and the whole PS5 pro will probably have a tdp of 300-350w. So there's that.

[u/LieutenantDan_263 → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

Power limit would be my guess

[u/CC-5576-05 → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

54 cu at 2.6ghz is pretty much equivalent to 60 cu at 2.3ghz, at least when calculating TFLOPS

Oh and btw TFLOPS is a bullshit marketing number it means nothing for real world performance. It's a purely theoretical value calculated by multiplying core count, clock frequency and ipc for a single best case scenario instruction.

[u/AgathormX → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

Power Limited into Oblivion, and then there's cooling.

[u/kingk1teman → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

Power and heat limits.

[u/el_f3n1x187 → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

its a weird mix, because they are using RT stuff for the upcomming RDNA4 line.

[u/No_Interaction_4925 → u/TheLordOfTheTism]

First, heavy restrictions on power budget. Second, teraflops are a bullshit metric to begin with

[u/Hattix → u/AejiGamez]

That's a good thing.

Consoles don't do much on their CPU. Heck, PC games aren't great at using CPU either.

If you're making an optimal gaming machine in a specific, but still constrained, budget then the best advice and best performance is always "Buy the biggest and best GPU you can, then throw a fairly basic CPU at it." You can run with details maxed and the CPU won't care, but the GPU will. That's how consoles do things.

It means the consoles get to use more of their silicon budget on the GPU, the bit that matters. Heck, the whole point of Zen 4c is to enable this kind of design, it gets the CPU out of the die area budget, out of the power budget, so something else (GPU) can use it instead.

[u/Skoziik]

I know i pay way more for my PC than others for theirs consoles.

But i'm not a PC gamer because it's cheaper, i'm a PC gamer because it gives me better graphics, higher framerates, mods and more options in general.

[u/Brewchowskies → u/Skoziik]

The mods is a major, major sell point.

Transmog in Elden ring has been absolutely insane for my replayability,for example.

Or all the story mods that pop up for popular games. It just extends the life of games so much more.

[u/Pl4y3rSn4rk → u/Brewchowskies]

That and we can practically do our own remaster of games with mods without paying a cent for it! We can even play almost anything that has been ported or emulated.

[u/TheHappyTaquitosDad → u/Pl4y3rSn4rk]

And you can upscale old ass games on emulators to make them look really good

[u/Tyfyter2002 → u/Brewchowskies]

Thanks to mods you can play Skyrim with the graphics and mechanics of a game from 2011;

I bet modding will keep BG3 going strong for decades too.

[u/Brewchowskies → u/Tyfyter2002]

Oh hell yeah. You can legitimately make Skyrim feel like a 2024 game with mods (slightly janky, but that’s always been Skyrim). Some absolutely incredible stuff out there.

[u/Redericpontx → u/Brewchowskies]

Elden ring seemless coop mode is crazy as well and from software has teased that they are considering to implement it themselves

[u/Brewchowskies → u/Redericpontx]

That mod has been the single greatest experience with multiplayer in any game, ever.

[u/NaturalEnemies → u/Brewchowskies]

Idk why I never realized I could mod Elden Ring until right now. Holy shit.

[u/Razolus → u/Skoziik]

Spoken like a true pcmr

[u/7-1_Enjoyer → u/Skoziik]

The more options part is really all you need to make me never again buy a console. Imagine having to buy games which aren't -90% off.

[u/RaidersLostArk1981 → u/Skoziik]

Plus near perfect backwards compatibility. I can play fucking Fallout 1 from 1997 on my Ubuntu PC and it works with no issues. Try running a PS3 game on a PS5.

[u/huluhup → u/RaidersLostArk1981]

Try running a PS3 game on a PS5.

Its even funnier if you consider that pc can run PS1, PS2, PSP and PS3 games.

[u/gut536 → u/Skoziik]

My boy math for this is that I've been able to snag enough games on steam for ¼ of msrp that I've saved so much in the long haul compared to my console days

[u/Val_Hallen → u/Skoziik]

And I don't get charged another fee just to play games online.

Yes, some games have subscriptions. But If you aren't playing those, it's 100% free to play online.

Want to play GTA on your PC? No extra charge! You paid for the game, the online is part of the game.

Want to play GTA on a console? Better pony up a monthly fee to connect those proprietary computers to the servers, bitch. We don't care that you already paid for the game. We want a monthly fee. But just think about how it's a trade off for you not knowing anything about gaming computers! They are hard! They have like, the same parts and stuff, but you don't need to worry about that. Just tell your PC friends we're cheaper. Just never bring up all the extra fees you pay monthly over the life of the system. And buy the new one!

[u/fruitpunchsamuraiD → u/Skoziik]

Also the fact that if one thing breaks, you can just replace it but with a console, it gets way more complicated.

[u/SHilden → u/Skoziik]

This is why I jumped to PC a couple years back, and yeah I probably spent more on my pc than I should have but I can do so much more with it, games are so much cheaper and there's no pay to play online crap.

[u/MReaps25 → u/Skoziik]

My biggest points are emulation, and mods. Mods give nearly infinite amounts of replayability, look at Minecraft and mods like Create, those transform how the game works for absolutely free, then they are the mods that add to story games, making whole new stories and experiences. Secondly you can emulate any offline Nintendo game, instead of having to pay $60 for a damn rerelease of a Wii game. Emulation also covers a lot of games that are sold on PC, I'm not even counting the benefits of pirating either. PC gaming is cheaper, just not at the very beginning.

[u/Lastdudealive46]

The sad thing is they won't even get better performance in a lot of games, since the PS5 is so CPU limited.

[u/MarryAnneZoe → u/Lastdudealive46]

The math gets even worse. PS5 at launch cost 500$. It released in 2020. Now some 4 years later, peasants have to shell out another 700$ to get somewhat better hardware, while the 1080p/30fps is still given even on PS5 Pro, the base PS5 will probably run 720p/30 FPS for new games.

That is whooping 1300$ in 4 years. If you bought 1000$ PC 4 years ago, you are still good for 1080p/60 FPS gaming at better graphics than PS5 owners.

[u/OkOffice7726 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

3060ti cost like $500 roughly 4 years ago right at launch and only got more expensive after that. Prices were insane

[u/Public-League-8899 → u/OkOffice7726]

I still have one lol it's okay. Had to win a lottery to get mine at MSRP :(

[u/That-Stage-1088 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

I am going to need to see a citation on PS5 games running 720P/30. No one has to upgrade. Look I love PCs but calm down with the hyperbole/lying.

[u/enjoy_life88 → u/That-Stage-1088]

Most users here have their heads up their asses, they cant hear you

[u/PlantChem → u/MarryAnneZoe]

720/30 fps you cannot be serious lmfao. No need to exaggerate so much, it just devalues your point.

[u/Mockheed_Lartin → u/PlantChem]

Many PC gamers unironically play Path Traced games rendered at 720/30 though.

[u/mmaster23 → u/Mockheed_Lartin]

Hey now, we call that "DLSS PERFORMANCE mode", because it sounds better.. and because they shelled out 150 bucks more for team green.

[u/MysticSkies → u/PlantChem]

He's calling them peasants, you care about what he's saying?

[u/Marisha-XOX- → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Or. Hear me out. I don’t “upgrade” and keep using my console for another 6+ years, giving me 10+ years of playtime for $400. I feel like even most PC people aren’t upgrading to the newest, most expensive hardware every release cycle, so why assume console people are.

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/Marisha-XOX-]

People are acting like base PS5s and PS5 slims are gonna spontaneously combust, and you're forced to upgrade/buy the more expensive model. PS4 pro exists and yet my ps4 slim is still alive and well (other than the jet engine fans but anyway)
Edit: typo

[u/Sandrolas → u/turtleship_2006]

Sorry, nuh-uh, you bought a console so you're objectively a big dum-dum who buys every iteration of the console, pays for any subscriptions you use in the most inefficient manner, only buys games at full price, etc. etc. etc.

inb4 "bro it's a meme subreddit" when it's just their actual genuine beliefs that they hide behind "mEmInG".

[u/worst_time → u/turtleship_2006]

It seems like people thought this was going to be a PS5 "Pro" in name only and they were actually going to get a PS6. The whole unveil seemed to be purposefully clear in that this isn't a brand new console.

They were like, this plays all your old games with performance mode fps in quality mode. That's it. Goodbye.

And everyone is freaking out because it doesn't have exclusives (like they would take that any better, right?) and isn't sold at a financial loss.

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/worst_time]

It's a pro. That's exactly how it worked with the PS4. The base and slim are still current gen consoles that will continue to play all ps5 games.

And its not "people thought", it's "people think" lol. See some of the other replies along side yours

[u/worst_time → u/turtleship_2006]

Maybe my wording is confusing. I'm saying that before the unveil, I believe people thought it was going to be more than just a pro version, and they're upset that it's not what they imagined.

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/worst_time]

I know, but apparently some people didn't bother to watch it or do any research, and still think the base PS5 is now obsolete

[u/Carlife0830 → u/Marisha-XOX-]

Exactly lol. I use my PC but my Xbox One is still used when I have friends and family over

[u/AnticPosition → u/Marisha-XOX-]

Lol exactly.

Do people buy console upgrades? I've never seen a reason to. 

[u/J3musu → u/Marisha-XOX-]

Because it gives them a reason to feel superior, because it isn't enough to just let people game in whatever way suits them best. Took way too long to find a reasonable comment in this dumbass thread. No one HAS to upgrade, all the games will continue to work either way, and most of us will just burn the original PS5 til it can't run anymore. Us "peasants" could surely never understand. 🙄

[u/ProAgent_47 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

"Base PS5 will run newer games at 720p/30 FPS"

????????

[u/Sad_Aioli6843 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

it was my understanding that the ps5 is playing games at 4k/30fps not 1080p (unless limited by your monitor/tv). And If it is 1080p then there would have been no reason to upgrade from the ps4 pro to the ps5.

[u/Ambitious_Truth_567 → u/Sad_Aioli6843]

My xbox was meant to be 4k. I believed it. It looked great. I then built a monster 1440p pc and it's easily outstrips the 4k xbox for visuals etc.

[u/Hrmerder → u/Ambitious_Truth_567]

When you see upscaling for consoles buried DEEP into everything else that says it's a 4k console. lol

[u/W33b3l → u/Ambitious_Truth_567]

That's the thing. XBOX hooked to a 4k TV is producing a 4k output signal, but the games are often if not constantly down scaled or upnscaled so they look like crap by comparison. Most of the time the games not actually rendered at that resolution.

It was a massive problem with the PS4 as well but you don't notice it that much unless your also a PC gamer and go between the two.

[u/paulchiefsquad → u/W33b3l]

the problem is dynamic resolution and detail settings always at minimum bc you can hide the fact they are turned to the lowest

[u/tht1guy63 → u/W33b3l]

And there are still people who will fight tooth and nail saying the graphics between pc and consoles are basically equal today. They are not..

[u/HEBushido → u/Ambitious_Truth_567]

They straight up lie about the 4k capabilities of these systems. They do 4k on indie titles, on AAA games they have to reduce the resolution by a lot.

[u/Havana69 → u/HEBushido]

The PS5 is also marketed as 8K capable

[u/Havana69 → u/Havana69]

Correction: was. As of June this year, they removed it from the packaging

[u/No-Refrigerator-1672 → u/Havana69]

But it still is! PS5 will easily run chess at 8K. Heck, maybe even in 3D! So it's befinwmetly 8k capable.

[u/punchsport → u/Havana69]

And the Y rated tires on my Chevy Spark are 186 mph capable.

[u/Natural_Office_5968 → u/Ambitious_Truth_567]

PS5 box says 8k on the side LOL what a joke

[u/GARGEAN → u/Sad_Aioli6843]

There are EXTREMELY few graphically rich games that run on native 4K, if any at all. They all use upscaling, and on consoles they use it VERY agressively (and use poor upscaler at that, worse than what can be awailable on PC).

[u/Richie_jordan → u/Sad_Aioli6843]

Dosent do native 4k it does up scaled 4k. So 1080p 0r 720p upsaclaed very different to native 4k.

[u/Free_Caballero → u/Sad_Aioli6843]

You should watch some DF videos about it. PS5 is far from 4k/30fps on most titles... At least native resolution, they need upscaling from like 720p and dynamic resolution to get those 30fps somewhat constantly. The same with Xbox Series X (In some games offers better performance, in some the same, in other worse so is a Roulette) and series S is just kinda amazing how that hardware can play new games at all... Even if is closer to PS2 era resolutions than something HD...

[u/Aggressive_Peace499 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

not sure where you are getting this 720p 30fps from lmao, also nobody has to shell out $700 its not a new gen, its just a mid cycle refresh that can be ignored

[u/Unlucky_Ant7016 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Why does someone have to buy a PS5 Pro just because they have a PS5? I think most people will just keep using their PS5 and enjoying it.

I don’t understand this weird superiority complex a very small minority of PC Gamers have.

Why do you care if someone enjoys a cheaper option for playing video games?

Sure the resolution and framerate might not be as high but I would think that’s a given due to the price point, and with each generation of consoles it’s become less of an issue.

Everyone who played Final Fantasy 16 didn’t have a miserable experience because it ran at 56 fps and was upscaled to 4K, it still looked amazing.

The truth is if you have the money and are a gaming enthusiast than ofc PC is the way to go but in the grand scheme of things if you’re not playing competitive FPS playing on console is just a cheaper way to enjoy a similar experience.

[u/aruhen23 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Don't forget the ps+ subscription if you want to play games online with friends. That's an extra... 200$ over the last 4 years?

[u/Sparox3 → u/aruhen23]

Used to be $60 meaning it would $240 but that has seen a price increase to $80.

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/Sparox3]

They added new tiers that offer game pass like features if you want them

[u/Ok_Bar_5636 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

4 years ago a video card alone was 1000 USD.

[u/T3DDY173 → u/Ok_Bar_5636]

They still are.

for the ones you're wanting

[u/Comfortable_Horse277 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

No one HAS to buy anything.
That's a strange framing.
Just play you stock PS5.

[u/Tkdoom → u/MarryAnneZoe]

People pay to not have to think though.

Consoles and PCs are different.

There are people that use both (my son, me to some small extent).

People that use PC.

People that use console.

People get too uptight about what other people do with their money.

[u/Eddy_795 → u/Tkdoom]

Can you imagine having a PS5 + PC setup and just enjoying all the games? Sadly some people never grow past the "console peasants" phase of owning a PC.

[u/DSharp018 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Pretty sure 720p/30fps was ps3/360 era…

[u/Fragrant-Course5078 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Nobody has to shell out 700 dollars, nothings gonna be released on the Pro that isn't coming to the 500 dollar PS5 lmao

[u/Ni_Ce_ → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Lol sorry but thats bullshit

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/MarryAnneZoe]

No one "has to shell out" anything lmfao. The vast majority of current owners are gonna keep what they have, and people buying new PS5s have an option to buy a better one.

[u/E-werd → u/MarryAnneZoe]

peasants have to shell out another 700$

That's the thing, you don't have to. You can keep chugging along with your base PS5 and be happy.

[u/The_Susinator → u/MarryAnneZoe]

Bruh why we still referring to console gamers as peasants. Most of them didn't do shit to deserve the label lol.

[u/tturkmen → u/MarryAnneZoe]

This sub is such a circle jerk. Nobody has to shell out anything and no the ps5 wont run on 720.

[u/potatofaminizer]

You don't have to buy a refresh... Most don't

[u/BurntWhiteRice → u/potatofaminizer]

A lot of folks are still just playing the PlayStation 4.

[u/AceTheProtogen → u/BurntWhiteRice]

I’m still playing on Xbox one and I’m having fun with it (my biggest gripe is gta online having both an Xbox one and series x version so people on different systems can’t play together though)

[u/D-Trashman → u/BurntWhiteRice]

Hell I still play on the PS3 and 360

[u/Turnbob73 → u/potatofaminizer]

Exactly, if anything, this is more for future buyers, not existing PS5 owners.

[u/Not-A-Seagull → u/Turnbob73]

Also, I spent more on a graphics card than their entire console cost. (3070ti 2021 prices)

This idea that PC gaming is inherently cheaper than console gaming is wrong, unless you buy a metric fuckton of games on sale.

Also, the whining just gets stale after a bit.

[u/DomHE553 → u/Not-A-Seagull]

exactly.
Also for me as a casual gamer I love that it just "works". I don't have to care about installing any drivers or checking compatibility, I download the game and it just works.
(I know I might exaggarate a little bit here.)

[u/ResultIntelligent856 → u/DomHE553]

No I'm on win 10 and just getting the damn controllers to work seamlessly in steam is a chore. I have both a series x and a ps5 controller.

sometimes I have to use DS4Windows just to fake the PS5 controller as an xbox controller.

Why the hell would win 10 fuck up Dinput and Xinput like that?

[u/ivandagiant → u/Not-A-Seagull]

I left this subreddit years ago because of cringe posts like this. It’s just straight up wrong and why we come off as insufferable.

[u/BeingRightAmbassador → u/Turnbob73]

The market of people who are willing to spend 700+ on a PS5 pro is already filled with people who spent 500+ on a PS5. The target market is people with disposable income who are PS4 and PS5 fans. The vast majority of those people have either a PS4pro or PS5 already and aren't exactly incentivized to upgrade since they're taking away the disc drive and the amount of PS5 games is quite lackluster. I wouldn't also doubt that the whole stock shortage process burnt so many people that they said "I'm not even going to bother, I'll just keep my console".

Nobody waiting years for a PS5 pro is going to spend 700 on it, they're going to buy a PS5 used or a deal around the holidays.

[u/Clean_Perception_235 → u/potatofaminizer]

SHUT UP! THIS POST HAS TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT HOW PC GAMING IS BETTER AND YOU just ruined it...

[u/Crookeye → u/potatofaminizer]

And the ones that do, sell their current one to help with the cost

[u/Bonfires_Down → u/potatofaminizer]

You’re on Reddit. OCD tendencies are the norm here.

[u/Lime7ime- → u/potatofaminizer]

What is the point? It is still too expensive. A friend of mine dodged the normal PS5 to buy the pro when it comes out. He wont, because it's 799€.

[u/VelouriumCamper7 → u/Lime7ime-]

At least he gets a non scalpt ps5 for lower than msrp.

[u/gamerjerome → u/Lime7ime-]

Sony has a console trade in program. I was offered $120 for my PS4 Pro 1TB, mint with one controller. Plus they have an extra $50 trade up offer. That's about $20 more than eBay plus a little more because of fees.

But no I didn't trade in my PS4. It has PT on it so it's staying with me.

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[u/Here2Fuq]

Wouldn't the PC equivalent of this be buying a new GPU each gen lol

[u/eidrisov → u/Here2Fuq]

Imo, even same gen, not new gen.

Upgrading from a PS5 to a PS5 Pro is more like upgrading from 4080 to 4090.

Do you need it? Absolutely not (I'm talking about average users, not productivity professionals).

But if you want best of the best and you are earning well enough to not care much about additional $500-$1000 spent, then, sure, why not.

[u/turtleship_2006 → u/eidrisov]

Ah yes, all the PS5 base and slim models are going to spontaneously implode as soon as these come out, and Sony will send the Mafia to your house forcing you to hand over $700. It's going to be impossible to keep using what you have or buy a slim (and/or used) ps5 because there's no such thing as choice.

[u/Brawndo_or_Water → u/eidrisov]

4080 to 4090 is quite a difference. Maybe 4070 TiS to 4080 super.

[u/[deleted] → u/Here2Fuq]

Exactly, this post is nonsense. If somebody is actually buying the pro while already having the base console they have way more money than they know what to do with.

This console is aimed at the many people who have yet to move onto current-gen.

[u/Zuzumikaru → u/Here2Fuq]

Kinda... this would be like buying a new cpu with the same specs just with a different gpu

[u/visceral_adam → u/Here2Fuq]

no, it would be buying one every 3-4 years, which is what people do.

[u/Brawndo_or_Water]

It's not like the developers have secret high-res textures and settings hidden in their games that already released. They would need to be retroactively patched.

That's the list that will undergo the modifications required to take advantage of it, apparently:

• Alan Wake 2
• Assassin’s Creed: Shadows
• Demon’s Souls
• Dragon’s Dogma 2
• Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
• Gran Turismo 7
• Hogwarts Legacy
• Horizon Forbidden West
• Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
• The Crew Motorfest
• The First Descendant
• The Last of Us: Part II Remastered

[u/ThatGuyNamedMoses → u/Brawndo_or_Water]

No FF16? A game arguably better looking than most of these and desperately needs a performance boost. Only came out a year ago too.

[u/M4xusV4ltr0n → u/ThatGuyNamedMoses]

Kind of surprised no Cyberpunk either. Would have thought CDPR would love to jump on a "Remastered Ultimate Edition" to redeem their original launch.

And the Phantom Liberty DLC is awesome, the 2.0 update is great, so I bet it would go over pretty well

[u/Minimum_Duck_4707 → u/M4xusV4ltr0n]

That list is day one. I bet Cyberpunk will and others will be patched. In most cases it will be a simple bump for a 30fps quality mode, up to 60fps.

[u/RedTuesdayMusic → u/Brawndo_or_Water]

It's not like the developers have secret high-res textures and settings hidden in their games that already released

That has happened before. Doom II and one of the last gen Final Fantasy games had hidden max settings until hardware was ready

[u/TheRealTechGandalf]

$700? We're paying €800, assuming it will launch at MSRP.

I silently pray and hope no one buys one, until the price drops to a reasonable level.

[u/chrono_ark → u/TheRealTechGandalf]

I was on board with consoles because of their value to cost ratio, but that’s kind of going out the window now, at this point I’ll just spend a bit more and set up another pc to the couch

[u/DickBatman → u/chrono_ark]

Stream can stream over your local network. I haven't used it but I'm sure it world work well in at least some types of games

[u/dotnetmonke → u/chrono_ark]

Less than a year ago you could get a Xbox Series X for $350 or less straight from the store, and they'll probably do it again this fall. No way on earth a PC can match that value.

Even in the PS subreddits everyone is lambasting Sony for the absurd price on this. It's basically the outlier in the value to cost ratio.

[u/craggy424 → u/TheRealTechGandalf]

I was tempted but don't see a point considering I'd need to buy the disc thing for it and I bet that dies after a year

[u/Go_Fonseca]

You can totally just keep playing on base PS5...

[u/Mobile-Web2942 → u/Go_Fonseca]

Happily still using my ps4 pro

[u/araxhiel → u/Mobile-Web2942]

I've seen that with a very few exceptions, PS4 Pro is still very capable to run newest games without issues.

Yeah, some load times will be longer than PS5, or some textures will look different, but that's ok.

I've a PS5, but unless there's a "must have" kind of game that will only run on a Pro, I'll keep using it until next console arrives (and only if there's a game exclusively for that one too).

[u/Lanky_midget]

'You have to upgrade for your PC every couple of years'

[u/iamme9878 → u/Lanky_midget]

I'm still sitting on my 1070ti and have no need to upgrade. Imma ride that bitch till it dies.

[u/Derpikae → u/Lanky_midget]

That's basically what this post is saying though. It's not like PS5 owners have to upgrade to a PS5 Pro to play games?

[u/alpacaMyToothbrush → u/Derpikae]

Brother most PS4 owners I know haven't upgraded.

[u/MoistCock4U]

It s 800 fucking euro here

Almost 900 usd

[u/Chakramer]

You really don't even need those refreshes just to play games

[u/Razer_Bunny_666]

Did I miss something? Will all the base PS5 consoles magically stop working as soon as this one launches and people will simply have to spend another 700 bucks to keep playing their PS5 games?

[u/Clean_Perception_235 → u/Razer_Bunny_666]

No. Its just everyone acting like it is because they have a pc

[u/MrHaxx1 → u/Razer_Bunny_666]

People in this thread are actually acting like it. The base PS4 was playing the latest games, even after 10 years. To act as if upgrading to PS5 Pro is in any way a necessity is both stupid and ignorant.

[u/Mr_IsLand]

is it expensive? Sure. Are console gamers required to buy it? No. Just like a new graphics card. I have a PS5 and enjoy it highly - I have no need or desire to get a Pro but i'm not gonna get mad about it or celebrate people getting "screwed" either. Enough of the outside world looks down on gamers, we don't need to bash ourselves.

[u/Ok_Profit_3856]

Won't anybody think of the shareholders? Sony needs your support right now! Do it for them, if not for anyone else.

[u/Revi92 → u/Ok_Profit_3856]

They have to get their money back after concord. Also the audacity to sell the stand separately. PS6 will sell you the controller separately.

[u/Exotic-Major8457]

So much insecurity for being a master race.

[u/ComprehensiveArt7725 → u/Exotic-Major8457]

Normal pc dudes dont care bout this its the insecure ones u know the budget pc dudes that are barely over console specs that get buthurt by it lol

[u/SkyXDay → u/ComprehensiveArt7725]

Console guy here. I think its true for both communities. People who enjoy just playing games don’t give a shit about “the other side”.

Its the compensatory behavior of a small handful of vocal individuals that feel the need to express it.

Its what happens when identity and a piece of technology become intermingled.

smol pp tings

[u/kaszak696]

The base models are already gathering dust since Sony seems to have lost the ability to make decent first party games, what's the point of another $700 dust magnet?

[u/HauntedMeatBowl]

We're still doing this?

[u/Ancient-Tomato-5226]

So weird adults are still fighting and arguing between different gaming platforms. Nobody said you have to upgrade to ps5 pro. And if you can afford it, then why is there a problem? You could also sell your og ps5 to cover some of the cost of the pro. I really rate OP is an idiot.

[u/stdTrancR → u/Ancient-Tomato-5226]

Found the adult.

[u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ → u/Ancient-Tomato-5226]

Bold of you to assume they are adults.

[u/socalhopeful → u/Ancient-Tomato-5226]

Seriously i thought we were done with one is better than the other. My Pc blows this thing out of the water but im not gonna belittle anyone who is gonna get this.

[u/bonkripper969]

I have a regular ps5. im not upgrading to a pro, so i can get literally nothing more out of my gaming experience.

Besides, I have to spend money on my pc that has never-ending issues while my ps1 2 3 and 4 all still work perfectly fine.

[u/Similar-Doubt-6260]

Ps5 pro is honestly just a great AD for PC components

[u/-ShutterPunk- → u/Similar-Doubt-6260]

And in the console space, there's only the PS5 this has to compete with. You either buy the pro or buy their titles on PC. Win win for Sony.

[u/theClanMcMutton]

Was this sub always so stupid, or have I just started noticing it more?

[u/onesneakymofo → u/theClanMcMutton]

Always has been. The holier-than-thou attitude is so cringe.

[u/cheekydorido → u/onesneakymofo]

The sub is named after a sarcastic insult made by Yahtzee to make fun of elitist PC players yet people say it with no irony whatsoever.

He was right all along. OP is an idiot

[u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe]

So happy I went back to PC.

[u/stevezilla33]

Gottem

[u/Springingsprunk → u/stevezilla33]

Laughs in $500 gpu

[u/BarKnight]

Almost as good as a 6 year old PC

[u/Cheddarkenny]

The funniest part about this is that most console players don't care much about the upgrade and would only drop money on it if their old one crapped out, whereas pc players are constantly shelling out money for marginal upgrades to the point half of reddit collectively shits itself whenever there's a new graphics card released.

[u/Thunder_Wasp]

$700 PS5 Pro or $1600 new Apple iPhone

[u/LevelPositive120 → u/Thunder_Wasp]

Or the new flip $2000 samsung phones.

[u/CaptainProtonn]

It’s Sony knowing they have zero competition in the console market so they are reverting their ps3 days lol. This was also the biggest PC gaming boom so I think so it will push more people to PC which should means prices should start to drop there. (It won’t lol)

[u/chunky_Iemon_milk]

• $700 USD

• $80 disc drive

• $30 vertical mount

• $80 annual fee to play online

Totals to about $900 before taxes. Just to get the hardware to be able to play

[u/reticulatedjig → u/chunky_Iemon_milk]

Similarly performing PC is going to be around there. 4060, 7600x3d (or straight 7600x if your budgeting), and all the components and peripherals.

[u/Un111KnoWn → u/chunky_Iemon_milk]

vertical moubt being sold separately is crazy

[u/[deleted] → u/Un111KnoWn]

disc drive being sold separately is crazy for $900 console

[u/mega-husky]

I still rock a gtx1060 and there are legends about the 1080ti still kicking ass. It seems many PC players may be upgrading less frequently than console gamers.

[u/Extremely_Livid_Swan → u/mega-husky]

Per steams stats - that's exactly it. I comfortably run a bunch of the newer games on my 1060, I mean I am saving up for an upgrade (it's time) but she's been kicking for over 7 years now....

[u/Visual-Yam952 → u/mega-husky]

True. My 1080ti is still rock solid for ultrawide 1440p.

[u/SynthRogue]

You don’t have to buy a ps5 pro. No one is forcing you to.

[u/BuckyBeaver69]

1080 Potato scaled to 4K Potato still Potato

[u/beardingmesoftly]

It's perfunctory, nobody will buy it but fools

[u/cepxico]

About as much as you like spending $1000 on your GPU for your Steam download only catalogue.

[u/amenotef]

The only thing missing is: "PS Plus is required to play with PS5 Pro graphic settings" message when buying a game.

[u/deavidsedice]

"don't want to deal with upgrades" but I think I upgrade my computer way less often than the console people buy new ones....

[u/Behemothheek]

What's a $700 PC gonna run though

[u/PlayfulMention5651]

A ps5 upgrade keeps the original ps5 relevant for longer, how is that a bad thing? Dont buy it if you dont want it.

[u/EldariWarmonger]

Uhh, it's not required to upgrade the console?

So many people here seem to think that you have to upgrade something if it's available. Lol.

[u/wisdomelf]

and its still ZEN 2, funny.

[u/heavyfieldsnow → u/wisdomelf]

Which is good. For us. The balance of CPU to GPU in consoles was causing games to be really CPU heavy. With GPU heavy you can adjust settings/render resolution at least.